NHL's Reply to Asian Knockoff Jerseys

[Nic11]

When you buy a knock-off jersey, you know it's not a realy. I bought a soccer jersey from a site, paid not even 30$ when they usually sell for 110$. The quality is amazing, but the lettering isn't ... still, lots of my friend think it's a real.

I will buy one of those knock-off soon, I'm 14 and I can't afford 200$ jersey. I'm gonna walk and skate with it, maybe sometimes eat with it ... if it gets dirty or damaged, I have no problem with that cause I paid 50$ for it (example).

 

[slckrsx]

Not to sound funny, but please send me a link because I cant find them.

If your looking for Flyers jerseys just go to ebay and search for "reebok flyers jersey" and go from there.

Here are a couple for you;

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[paulxing]

What's even more ridiculous is that I can get Game Used Jerseys for less than $300. What the hell?!

As said before though, if one is just buying it to use personally, I see nothing wrong with getting ones that are not "official". Clearly the NHL did not price their brand name properly when charging others for the licenses. The only way for distributors to learn is to not make money and when they go for renewal, demand lower fees.

 

[meatmancgy]

Okay folks, be really careful how you deal with this situation. HI's official stance:

I want no one linking to any sites, ebay auctions or stores that knowingly sell knock-off or fake jerseys. I will not condone the sale of jerseys where license fees were not paid and they are blatantly using the team names, colours, logos, players, etc.

If you want a cheap jersey, go to Walmart and buy one there... at least they've had the license fees paid (we're assuming).

Bruce

 

[bmoy88]

Another issue I have is the frequent changing of "styles". Call it marketing or call it a money-grab, but is it really necessary to bring out all the variations? I'm sure some teams have had 4 or 5 versions since the league went Reebok - and that's for each colour (home and away).

 

[GrimUSMC]

Okay folks, be really careful how you deal with this situation. HI's official stance:

I want no one linking to any sites, ebay auctions or stores that knowingly sell knock-off or fake jerseys. I will not condone the sale of jerseys where license fees were not paid and they are blatantly using the team names, colours, logos, players, etc.

If you want a cheap jersey, go to Walmart and buy one there... at least they've had the license fees paid (we're assuming).

Bruce

Bruce, those links he posted were for legit jerseys. I was asking him to show me were the better priced legit jerseys were at

 

[DXFlyers]

My issue is that these Asian knock offs hurt me from selling real replica or authentic jerseys endorsed by the NHL that I may get at a jersey wholesaler or Meigray to sell on ebay to get a decent buck.

Do your research and find the sales. The best time to purchase a hockey jersey is the off-season i.e summer. I waited 3 months after the Winter Classic and got my Pronger jersey from Modells for 90 bucks. I go to Meigray summer expo every year, get a free authentic jersey, and trade it for a Flyers jersey with someone else.

I actually laugh at the people at the Center who wear the knockoffs. The lettering/numbers is HUGE compared to what you see in the pro shops. Kinda of a game for me when I walk on the concourse, fake or real...

 

[slckrsx]

Bruce, those links he posted were for legit jerseys. I was asking him to show me were the better priced legit jerseys were at

Yup, just trying to point out that you can get 100% legit stuff for around the same price as the cheap knock-off stuff.

On another note, it's my opinion that the NHL and Reebok should start taking serious legal action against places like Ebay and other retailers that sell fake merchandise. They can't stop the factories in China from making the stuff but they can try to stop the people importing them and selling them.

Also, with the expo right around the corner, am I correct in assuming it is illegal to sell counterfeit merchandise? If so why are the organizers of the expo allowing so many exhibitors to sell fake merchandise illegally? It was sickening walking the isles at the last expo and seeing how many people were selling that garbage.

 

[Metrags]

For those of you who buy the knockoff jerseys - would you buy packs/boxes/cases of cards that ripped off Upper Deck or ITG because of the cost? Because that box cost you $40 vs. $90 for the real McCoy? Or a near-copy of NHL2010 because it comes pretty darn close to the game you get at the store? I doubt that most of you would say yes to it.

It's easy to justify sticking it to the man when it's some faceless corporation that makes millions and millions of dollars, but at the end of the day someone ends up paying for it one way or another.

Apples to Oranges

IMO obviously


The "fakes" are of equal quality to the ones you can buy at any sporting goods store. Obviously when you buy cards you want to know that they are 100% authentic. I dont buy custom patch cards for that reason.

You could compare these jerseys to buying a "knockoff" suit or shirt. It has the same look, logo, and even jersey tag. You cant blame me, or anyone, for buying the $50 shirt rather than the $200. Not many people have the money to buy the expensive stuff.

 

[sharkaholic707]

Why the knockoffs gotta be Asian? LOL. JK. But I'd buy one -- if it really looked the part. Who cares if its double stitched at the seams? Not like I'm playing hockey in it anyways.

 

[GrimUSMC]

My issue is that these Asian knock offs hurt me from selling real replica or authentic jerseys endorsed by the NHL that I may get at a jersey wholesaler or Meigray to sell on ebay to get a decent buck.

Do your research and find the sales. The best time to purchase a hockey jersey is the off-season i.e summer. I waited 3 months after the Winter Classic and got my Pronger jersey from Modells for 90 bucks. I go to Meigray summer expo every year, get a free authentic jersey, and trade it for a Flyers jersey with someone else.

I actually laugh at the people at the Center who wear the knockoffs. The lettering/numbers is HUGE compared to what you see in the pro shops. Kinda of a game for me when I walk on the concourse, fake or real...

But I would rather wear my Richards knockoff to a game because when a drunk rowdy fool spills beer on it, I wont really care.

Also, when is the Meigray Summer Expo, and is it open for anyone to attend?

 

[DougLaurieSports]

I just want to make sure I have this straight:

Kenny the patch forger = the devil for faking patches, which it isn't even patently clear is against the law

HI members = no issues for buying counterfeit merchandise, which is blatantly illegally produced

Do I have that right?

 

[SkyFire47]

I just want to make sure I have this straight:

Kenny the patch forger = the devil for faking patches, which it isn't even patently clear is against the law

HI members = no issues for buying counterfeit merchandise, which is blatantly illegally produced

Do I have that right?

buying cards = buying authentic items

buying jerseys = NOT buying what the player wore but a copy of it.

kenny is deceiving people. people know what they're getting into when they're buying jerseys. now if the knockoffs were being passed as actual Game Used items and the prices are being inflated because of it and people were being ripped off, then you'd have a comparison.

 

[DougLaurieSports]

buying cards = buying authentic items

buying jerseys = NOT buying what the player wore but a copy of it.

kenny is deceiving people. people know what they're getting into when they're buying jerseys. now if the knockoffs were being passed as actual Game Used items and the prices are being inflated because of it and people were being ripped off, then you'd have a comparison.

No, you're either deceiving yourself or trying to rationalize the purchase of illegal goods.

Do you really think people who are buying the legitimate RBK replicas from me think they're getting game-used jerseys? No, they don't, and the people buying these illegal knockoffs know they're buying fake crap.

As for the "people know what they're getting" argument, horse****. I've had a number of people come in the store who've purchased the jerseys through eBay or online and then come in the store and are shocked at the difference. In fact, we just turned over a fake Mitchell & Ness sold through eBay out of London, ON, and I'm hoping we'll be able to help get the guy charged.

In summation, again, if you want to buy fakes, buy fakes. Just realize you're buying illegal product and deal with it when someone calls you out for it.

 

[Hama]

buying cards = buying authentic items

buying jerseys = NOT buying what the player wore but a copy of it.

kenny is deceiving people. people know what they're getting into when they're buying jerseys. now if the knockoffs were being passed as actual Game Used items and the prices are being inflated because of it and people were being ripped off, then you'd have a comparison.

Yeah, but by the same token, from the people that I have seen selling these knockoffs thinking that they were the real mccoy, they were duped into thinking that these jerseys were legit because they had similar fabric, stitched names and numbers and a fight strap. Once I informed the sellers (in person) that these were definitely not authentic, they stopped selling them.

Not everyone is as informed as some folks, and that's the target audience. Just like some people have been peddling altered patch cards to uninformed collectors and reaping the financial benefits, the sellers that knowingly sell these knockoffs are the ones profiting from it and duping a lot of buyers who are thinking that they are getting a smoking deal.

Knockoff jerseys have all the same tags as the authentic jerseys - and in the NHL's case markings of being Made In Canada. If they're supposed to knockoffs, and knowingly sold as such, why do they have those markings? At the end of the day, someone is still out making money off it and cheating out the stores that carry licensed jerseys, Reebok, the NHL and the NHLPA.

 

[cards-gotta-go]

Kinda of a game for me when I walk on the concourse, fake or real...

We used to play that game with a different object of our affection...

fftopic:

 

[SkyFire47]

please re-read all of my posts in this thread. i didn't say you were wrong about your last post. i clarified the difference between your hockey card / kenny example.

No, you're either deceiving yourself or trying to rationalize the purchase of illegal goods.

Do you really think people who are buying the legitimate RBK replicas from me think they're getting game-used jerseys? No, they don't, and the people buying these illegal knockoffs know they're buying fake crap..

so they know what they're buying. as i mentioned much earlier in the thread. to alot of people, a copy is a copy.

As for the "people know what they're getting" argument, horse****. I've had a number of people come in the store who've purchased the jerseys through eBay or online and then come in the store and are shocked at the difference. In fact, we just turned over a fake Mitchell & Ness sold through eBay out of London, ON, and I'm hoping we'll be able to help get the guy charged.

so they don't know what they're buying. this part could be compared to the kenny example.

In summation, again, if you want to buy fakes, buy fakes. Just realize you're buying illegal product and deal with it when someone calls you out for it.

i never said people weren't buying illegal product. i clarified the difference in your last post. in one situation, people know what they're getting. you semi-said it yourself. in kenny's situation, people are being ripped off and a fake is being passed as an original.

Yeah, but by the same token, from the people that I have seen selling these knockoffs thinking that they were the real mccoy, they were duped into thinking that these jerseys were legit because they had similar fabric, stitched names and numbers and a fight strap. Once I informed the sellers (in person) that these were definitely not authentic, they stopped selling them.

Not everyone is as informed as some folks, and that's the target audience. Just like some people have been peddling altered patch cards to uninformed collectors and reaping the financial benefits, the sellers that knowingly sell these knockoffs are the ones profiting from it and duping a lot of buyers who are thinking that they are getting a smoking deal.

Knockoff jerseys have all the same tags as the authentic jerseys - and in the NHL's case markings of being Made In Canada. If they're supposed to knockoffs, and knowingly sold as such, why do they have those markings? At the end of the day, someone is still out making money off it and cheating out the stores that carry licensed jerseys, Reebok, the NHL and the NHLPA.

replied above.

 

[bmoy88]

I think Icebox replies have their validity because as a vendor, the fakes hurt his business. But that is his situation.

Who here has not had a plumber, electrician, repairman come to their home to do repairs and then have the option of paying full rate or paying "under the table" to get a better price and save taxes? I think we all have. This too is illegal.

 

[meatmancgy]

I think Icebox replies have their validity because as a vendor, the fakes hurt his business. But that is his situation.

Who here has not had a plumber, electrician, repairman come to their home to do repairs and then have the option of paying full rate or paying "under the table" to get a better price and save taxes? I think we all have. This too is illegal.

That's a service and he's trying to dodge taxes; these are goods. They are illegally created to profit from unknowing (or knowing) buyers, without paying for the actual rights to MAKE the jerseys. That's the difference.

 

[bmoy88]

Tax evasion isn't any less illegal than theft. And we could go on about speeding and other misdemeanors or felonies.

My point in this thread is that the NHL is overcharging the average Joe who wants to buy a product that resembles something the pros wear. If the price for a jersey was more reasonable, more people would be inclined to go legit. But then again, as someone mentioned earlier, maybe not!