Another 'Book Value' Thread - eBay loss

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Hey guys,
I know there have been many disucssions about Beckett's role in the sport and the true value of a 'Book Value'. Well, here is a prime example of a card is worth what a collector is willing to pay!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=56073&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:CA:11

I lost out at a bid of 7 TIMES Beckett's high BV. BV was $3 and I set a bid of $21. Winning bid was $21.50. The only reason I lost was because I was not at my computer. If I were, I would have bid higher... but I thought my $21 bid would be enough.

Anywho, enough with the rant... as a Cleary collector, I was willing to pay much more than an arbitrary value that Beckett sets for a card.

I hope you've enjoyed, and comments are welcome as always.

I'm sure some of you are thinking "$21 for a Dan Cleary non-rookie card??" haha.

Cheers
 
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That mag isn't good enough to wrap fish in.
In your case, player collector meets Wings collecor meets set completionist meets "ain't seen one of those in a while"... Beckett would categorize it as a "statistical anomoly (sp)"... joke.

betcha the next one goes for $0.99 though.
 
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Hello..

Yup, I've seen a few of those outrageous auctions in my time, as well. We recently sold a 06/07 O-Pee-Chee Rainbow Chris Kunitz Parallel /100 for like $80 USD....doesn't matter how you look at that one, it's still tough to come up with an explanation :o

Cheers,
Eli
 
The problem is, and I think everyone would agree with me, that 1 sale does not justify making any adjustments.

This sale is likely the exception, not the rule. If the next one gets around that then we can start to talk... and if the 3rd one does then maybe theirs justification to make some adjustments accordingly.
 
While we're on the topic of 'book values...'

Patrick Roy Signature Gems 03/04 Black Diamond. There had never been a confirmed sale of the card until a couple of weeks ago. It had a book value of 200, was an SP. When it was determined there are only 24 copies, Beckett kept the value at 200, even though NPDTS should have applied after the print run confirmation.

A couple of weeks ago, one sold for 650ish. Wonder if the great Beckett pricing god will adjust in next month's issue, especially since it is the first confirmed sale...

As for the Cleary... 21 isn't bad. I'm the one who paid 42.79 for a Matt Cooke UD parallel. Granted, it was 24/100 (jersey number), but insanity nonetheless.
 
I pay god money for Nilsson if i need to...
And allso for cards for my set, never cheek in Becket for price, just read the magazine... :)
best regards
 
I'm not tooling for Beckett, but when sales like this happen, I send Al Muir an e-mail. He doesn't track sales that he can't see. I've reported auctions I have been a part of (win or lose) to Al, and adjustments have been made where needed. At the end of the day, it's just a guide.

This one card in particular won't change the value of all of his cards. If there all of a sudden is a huge demand for Dan Cleary and his cards consistently sell that high, then you might have a point.

Randy, I sent Al a link to the Roy auction along with a note about how often this card has NOT come up for sale. I think there will be an adjustment in the next Beckett.
 
I guarantee the ratio of people who complain about book value to people who actually try to help Al is pretty (sadly) high. I like to think I'm in the latter camp. I know he can only do so much.

Agreeing with others, by no means should a fluke sale like this change the BV of the card. However, there are some rare parallel sets like this one that I wouldn't mind seeing a small bump on across the board -- $3 for Hi Book seems a little low for me, but those kind of values are a little more egregious when dealing with some of the truly difficult parallel sets (03-04 Victory, 02-03 MVP Golden Classics, etc)
 
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I'm not sure where the idea of altering book values based on one sale came from. That's surely not the impression I was trying to get across.

The point I was making is that one of the things that makes this hobby so interesting and fun is the fact that things like this happen. A card is worth what a collector is willing to pay... not always the 1/2 BV rule.

Likewise, I won a 06/07 Benoit Pouliot SPGU Gold parallel (BV $15) for $0.01 a few days back!

Cheers guys.
 
Sorry, dude...I got the impression that you were complaining as you called you original post a rant and you called Beckett's pricing "arbitrary". Seemed like you had a beef that you were airing about pricing and the value of your card.
 
LSOH said:
Hello..

Yup, I've seen a few of those outrageous auctions in my time, as well. We recently sold a 06/07 O-Pee-Chee Rainbow Chris Kunitz Parallel /100 for like $80 USD....doesn't matter how you look at that one, it's still tough to come up with an explanation :o

Cheers,
Eli
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Eli

Explanation: Combine extremely large set + lightly broken product = silly money for relatively high print run parallels :)
 
I submit pricing for the Short Prints, since a lot of the Jagr stuff I tend to purchase is less than /25. Sometimes they make it in, sometimes not.

As for pricing adjustments, it is sometimes a bitter card to swallow. There was a particular card on my need list for a long time. It was a 99-00 BAP Millennium Players of the Decade Jagr auto /100. I had seen one over three years, give or take, and was beat out by someone dedicated to building the set. No big deal.

The next possible issue the published card value dropped so that the eBay price on it was within a few bucks of the low BV. I'd love to know where several of these suddenly hit the market with a short timespan to justify the BV dropping so quickly. I know we've all heard that eBay is not the sole source of information, etc., but again, where did all the autos come from all of the sudden?

I won an eBay auction for less than the low BV on that same card so I'm waiting for it to drop in the guide again...
 
CrosbyFan8787 said:
Hey guys,
I lost out at a bid of 7 TIMES Beckett's high BV. BV was $3 and I set a bid of $21. Winning bid was $20.50. The only reason I lost was because I was not at my computer. If I were, I would have bid higher... but I thought my $21 bid would be enough.
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If your max bid was $21, and the winning bid was $20.50, how come you didn't win it?

Edit: Must have been a typo on the OP's part, looking at the auction, it ended for $21.50. Makes much more sense now. I need sleep.
 
I know what you mean bout the BV being lost for obscure parallels. I have a sweet Cleary rc parallel that you may be interested in. I was waiting for the season to start before I put it on ebay. If you are interested let me know and we can try and work something out.

98-99BowmansBestAtomicRefractorClea.jpg


Thanks Steve
 
Hey Steve,
If it goes on ebay, I'd be the one buying it I'm sure, so save the ebay fees and let's make a deal! haha
PM sent.
Cheers
 

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