DC Comics - The New 52

My concern is the overconfidence inspired by the current sales numbers. Yeah, fine, JL sold out a first run of 200K, and many other titles are doing the same. Good, I'm glad. Questions:
1) Not all of those are unique customer sales. What percentage?
2) How many of these customers are NEW customers? Lapsed readers returning to the fold don't count - the purpose of this was supposedly NEW readers.
3) What are the digital sales numbers like?
4) Most tellingly: does anyone have a solid handle on how well issue 6s will sell compared to issue 1s?

1) Definitely not, considering I purchased 2 copies (the max allowed at the shop I went to) of each #1 I purchased last week. Mind you, I then sold those second copies.

2) What is a "lapsed" reader? I hadn't purchased a comic book in almost 2 decades so I'm as good as new. (Not often that I can refer to myself as "good as new" :P )

3) Dunno. But higher than ever before, I'm sure. A lot of people use download apps who haven't set foot in a comic book store in years.

4) Read the paragraph starting with "Courtesy of Hero Comlex...." http://screenrant.com/dc-new-52-comics-benm-130014/

Of course, the numbers will drop. In fact, #1's have always drawn the most attention. They are the equivalent of the rookie card in sports cards. Everyone will get their hands on them, but the demand for the entire run will wane which is fine so long as there becomes decent readership.

DC was in a MUST relaunch situation and awesome of them to take on this project. I would argue that Marvel should do the same.

After the initial relaunch hype, the number of readers will settle. I know this first hand since I plan to narrow down the titles that I buy after the first few issues. In some cases, I won't buy the 2nd or 3rd. But I'm interested in comics again. That was the goal of DC. Attract new readers and bring back those who haven't picked up a comic book in years without alienating current readers.

In any case, for me, it's fun to be back into it and I won't overlook comics like I used to before this relaunch.
 
The whole object of this relaunch was twofold:
1) Clear the deck of backstory, start fresh, allow everyone to learn the stories and history from the same point in time for the DCU. Some books are doing this, some are clearly not. In point of fact, I can think of two, maybe three main books doing this. The rest require knowledge - extensive knowledge - of what has come before. That's not really "on message".
2) Attract new readers. Lapsed readers would be folks like yourself, Frank - you were once a collector, lost interest for whatever reason. They want to both recapture print sales (which have been on a steadily downward slope since the 60s) and promote the digital side of things. From what Kevin tells us, the digital side is CRAP right now. I understand that. The real potential to grow the digital is if you give your clients some rights over the media (which they kind of do - if you've got Comixology, you can read it on whatever device, which is a step up from iTunes) AND to sell back catalogue. The pricing isn't very competitive, and therein lay some of the digital problem.
 
The pricing isn't very competitive, and therein lay some of the digital problem.

The problem isn't that it isn't competitive, but it's a barrier to entry.

A regular comic these days is either $3/$4 depending on the title. If I only get 10 minutes out of a comic, I'm paying $24/hour for my entertainment, that doesn't compare with movies or console games at all. It's no wonder that kids are going elsewhere for entertainment, and that's what is missing from this hobby. There's no future generation replacing those who do lapse for whatever reason. That's why the numbers are dropping.

In addition, the publishers are too worried about their "partners" who own the local comic shop as well to do anything noticable in price structure to make a difference in the digital market.

The comic that you buy at the store is NOT bought direct from DC/Marvel (yes, I assume most of you know this, but I'm going to spell it out in case someone doesn't) but from Diamond Comics (the ONLY mainstream comic distributor - some might say monopoly), they allow the store to get the comic from that at a variable discount (45%-52.5%) based on volume.

So, your comic store is buying the comic for half of what you are paying for it. Standard for many businesses. Nothing wrong, the owner is stuck with whatever mistakes are made in the ordering as well as whatever you put back on the shelf after indicating that you will buy it, etc.

So, the $4 (using the $4 comic because it rounds a bit easier) comic cost the store $2 (plus a share of shipping, staffing etc, but I'm going to discard that for now - this isn't an attack on the comic store)

Diamond also probably doubled up on their numbers as well, so I'm going to assume that they bought the comic for $1-1.25 or so from DC/Marvel/etc. Diamond doesn't have that much risk as most comics these days are printed to order, if there are 3000 comics ordered, Diamond probably gets 3030 (to cover damages, etc).

So if Diamond is paying $1-$1.25 for your comic from Marvel/DC/etc, why am I paying $4 to comicology to read a comic from them when I can get the physical and possibly re-sellable comic for the same price.

If Marvel/DC wanted to make digital a serious option for more comic fans, they'd set something up at no more than $1.50 and some sort of subscription for 12 issues for $12 or some such. The publisher likely stands to make the same amount of profit on a digital sale at $1.50 than they do on a physical comic sale at $4.00.

[please don't get me wrong, I've worked in 2 comic stores in my life, I love the industry, and my current comic shop owner is a good friend of mine that I play hockey with and I want his business to grow, but I'm looking bigger picture here]

With the dwindling numbers of a best selling comic, I have to figure that the 80K that buy a "best selling comic" will continue to buy a physical copy, they've already continued in the hobby when it's shrinking, these are the folks that want the physical copy in their hands. You have to find a way to get more people back into comics, and you can't do it buy raising the prices to make money every time the sales numbers slip hoping that another $0.50 on the cover will make up for the last 10K buyers you've lost.

Make digital $0.99, heck make it $0.99 a year after it comes out if you don't want to rob customers from your brick and mortar stores (which I don't think the case is), but you have to make it cheaper or in 10 years, there won't be an industry.

Kevin
 
Older collectors want to feel ownership of the comic. They have that need to touch, feel, smell and just own and collect the comic. This alone will help keep paper comics somewhat popular. Digital is fine for some series and people however most real hardcore collectors will avoid the digital comics, I do however my much younger brother loves both.

I think digital may work on older issues and maybe even some of the obscure or less popular titles. However I think the flagship titles will always remain in print. The industry could have certain titles that are exclusive to digital or paper this might help both parts of the industry.
 
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So if Diamond is paying $1-$1.25 for your comic from Marvel/DC/etc, why am I paying $4 to comicology to read a comic from them when I can get the physical and possibly re-sellable comic for the same price.

And therein lies the most damning critique of the entire digital publishing industry. It is this surprisingly easily derived math - that the product leaves the publisher for about 25% of the final price - that holds back the digital side. It's not competitive. At all.

It is this math that prompted Jobs to raise the tax on in-app sold books to 30% from 10%. It is this math that is on EVERYONE'S mind:
How is the digital volume no less expensive than the physical one? And if there is no palpable difference in price, then I will buy the physical one, over which I can assert my rights.
 
So what does everyone think about Superman's lack of red undies?

I don't know why that made me laugh...

Less laundry for him, I guess. I doubt that there will be much of an outcry for no superundies, unless you're REALLY into that sort of thing.

They've revamped the suit for the movie as well. If you haven't seen pics, his suit looks a little more alien (which it should) but it works well and I think it ties in to the comics...

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Add the cape and I don't think its that bad. What sucks is that the emblem is missing from the back of the cape. The underoos added colour to the costume...takes some getting used to, that's for sure.

Dude playing Superman is on some serious Kryptonian steroids...
 
So what does everyone think about Superman's lack of red undies?

Or Wonder Woman wearing pants?!?


I've picked up about 8 books so far (i stopped collecting about 2 years ago but liked the idea of DC's fresh start). And like most relaunches, there's been some good, bad, the ugly and the twisted (check out Resurrection Man). But one thing that sets DC 52 apart is that the lesser known characters/titles are on equal footing when it comes to reaching a new audience. These books will never experience a better marketing push than what they're getting right now.

Re: digital sales, that is DC's way of appealing to the younger market and to those people that don't have the benefit of a lcs in their area. I know that for me personally, even if a digital copy was half the price, I would still buy the comic no matter what. Nothing compares to the tactile feel of a book along with the fun of being a collection hoard.
 
WW wearing pants troubles me not at all. If anything, they appear to be taking WW in a long overdue direction.

I read through most of the final week's offerings last night. The only one I found even remotely compelling was Aquaman. That should speak volumes. A great many of the final week books are - in my opinion - complete botches. I would especially like to know what idiot decided that the path to success lay in trying to lure Twilight fans into the DC fold.
 
I don't know why that made me laugh...

I'm glad it did! The question was serious, but I wanted to lighten things up at the same time. :)

I really like the new digs and I tend to be a nostalgic, but let's face it some modernization was necessary.

Not feeling the movie suit though... but it's not terrible or a far stretch from the comic either so I'm cool with it. We always have to face the fact that the suit in the movies are going to be different than the comics for some reason. Mind you, I'll always love the Christopher Reeve movies and they were true to the comics.

As for Wonder Woman, she doesn't wear pants in the comic (at least not in Wonder Woman #1) but there was a lot of outcry when the new suit was released for the show.
 
Oh, by the way, read Superman #1 a couple of nights ago and it was a great storyline. I'm hooked.

Also enjoyed Batman: Dark Knight #1 and I've been getting into the Green Lanterns (GL, Corps, New Guardians) with this reboot... so far so good.

I wasn't impressed with Supergirl #1... art not that great, mostly full or half page panels, and hardly any content... I timed it... took me only 7 minutes to read the whole issue... but I'll chalk it up as an intro to what I hope will become more and give the second issue a shot. But I don't think it'll make my short list.
 
Oh, by the way, read Superman #1 a couple of nights ago and it was a great storyline. I'm hooked.

Agreed - interesting character twists. However, word just came from DC that Perez is off this book as of issue 7. Dan Jurgens and Keith Giffen will take over as the new creative team.
 
Agreed - interesting character twists. However, word just came from DC that Perez is off this book as of issue 7. Dan Jurgens and Keith Giffen will take over as the new creative team.

Jurjens is good. Real wordy though.
 
Just picked up Action Comics #1...

Someone was telling me that this is DCs way of dealing with losing the rights to Superman's origin story...to those in the know, is this the case?
 
I don't know if that's true or not, but I found it a refreshing take on a "year one" type of story. Let's face it: You're a midwestern kid with unbelievable power that you've had to hide all this time. Why WOULDN'T you be a cocky jackass?
 
This past Wed, I picked up some #2's... Action, Detective, and JLI.

Also picked up Swamp Thing #1 and #2. I didn't pick it up when it was released because I never had familiarity and didn't think I'd be interested. But I heard good reviews. I was able to appreciate it, but it won't be on my pull list.

A couple of mini-series came out on Wed. I picked up Penguin: Pain and Prejudice #1 and Huntress #1. I highly recommend Penguin - wonderfully written and Batman's entrance on the last panel makes for an exciting transition to the next issue. Probably gonna buy the whole series. Huntress was good, at best.
 
I don't know if that's true or not, but I found it a refreshing take on a "year one" type of story. Let's face it: You're a midwestern kid with unbelievable power that you've had to hide all this time. Why WOULDN'T you be a cocky jackass?

Just picked up Action Comics #2...I actually do think that this is a great take on Superman. Since I was a kid, Superman has been my favourite...I couldn't stand the boy scout attitude though. Love that they've turned him badass.

I might be hooked.
 

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