pathshot
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Apparently the Leafs were willing to offer more than the Flames, who had shown interest. Now all eyes go to Fleury...
I'm gonna hate seeing him go.
I'm gonna hate seeing him go.
Leafs trade picks for Anaheim's Andersen
- Thread starter canucksfreak19
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tiger tiger
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Calgary was at a disadvantage right from the start. Leafs picks are higher than theirs, and Leafs have more picks to move.
I'm not sure if Fleury gets moved right away because the Pens will have to trade for a vet back up goalie anyway or sign a UFA.
Beau Bennett will probably be traded or not qualified. Wasn't used by Coach Sullivan. Schultz could too, depending if they want to sign Lovejoy instead. I'm thinking that they will lean towards Lovejoy since he was used in the top 4 pairing.
Pens don't have much cap space. Dupuis will be placed on LTIR, so there will be some relief there.
If Pens aren't going to get anything decent for Fleury, I would think it would be better to keep him and go for another cup run next year. If he gets exposed and taken in the expansion draft, so be it. It'll free up cap space too, and Murray will be a RFA.
steen101984
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The problem with that is Fleury's NMC. If he doesnt waive it, for the expansion draft then Pittsburgh HAS to protect him as their only goalie, leaving Murray exposed not Fleury.
Nick2317
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Bennett will be qualified Rutherford already said that
Schultz is a UFA he will be gone unless he stays on the cheap
Lovejoy will be gone he has priced himself out of our range and its his one chance at a payday
Fleury has a limited NTC so basically unless he demands a trade or agrees to somewhere he doesn't want to go he's staying here
Schultz is a UFA he will be gone unless he stays on the cheap
Lovejoy will be gone he has priced himself out of our range and its his one chance at a payday
Fleury has a limited NTC so basically unless he demands a trade or agrees to somewhere he doesn't want to go he's staying here
newfiecomicguy1
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Fleury will want to be a starter. If Murray has taken over the number 1 job Fleury will likely want to move and play rather than be a back up. Plus the expansion is happening as its being announced live right now. One of these 2 guys will likely be picked in that draft if they both remain Penguins. Fleurys NT won't protect him in the expansion draft.
Leafsfan1967
Disgruntled Leafs Fan,
I'm thinking that Anaheim was thinking the same thing when they decided to trade Anderson to Toronto. He would likely have been lost in the expansion draft if still on the Ducks. I'm sure Tampa is also worried about losing one of their goalies, as is Pittsburgh.
steen101984
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Fleurys nmc will require him to be protected if I'm reading things correctly.
pathshot
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He doesn't have one. It's a limited no trade clause, which someone else hit on here.
And this is how the NMC/NTC is being interpreted in terms of expansion from http://sinbin.vegas/51-players-have-no-movement-clauses-must-be-protected-in-expansion-draft/:
"We now know the agreement states that the players with no movement clauses must be protected and players with no trade clauses do not necessarily have to be protected by their current team."
In short, they'd protect Murray, they'd expose Fleury...if the decision was being made today. Who knows what next year could bring?
steen101984
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According to general fanager he has both a NMC and a modified NTC
http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1588
canucksfreak19
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Rob Vollman from Hockey Abstract was on the Fan here today and said that, with the analytics taken in to account Andersen ranked as the 22nd ranked starting goalie this season. He believes that Andersen is a league average goalie, and that his GAA was buoyed being behind a strong d, and his winning percentage also was because of the good team he was on over the past three seasons.
It all depends on perspective I guess.
It all depends on perspective I guess.
tiger tiger
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Sorry, I don't really agree that it's on perspective.
Be careful of stats, they can be misleading. Check how they are used. Andersen is ranked 22nd in wins among starting goalies. (I don't see where else he could have been ranked 22nd), and I'm not sure if Ron Vollman went on to qualify how he reached his conclusion. I know you're just quoting what you heard on the radio.
If this is the case, what Rob Vollman fails to reveal is that Andersen only started in 37 games. The top 13 goalies for wins, started no less than 58!!
If you extrapolate his win percentage, he'd be in the top 10 for wins if you based it on 58 starts. He has the same win/games started percentage as Jonathan Quick, who was 2nd in wins.
Andersen was also top 10 in GAA. 17th in SV% with .919, but the percentage are so tight that .922 would put you in 7th. 3/1000 of a percentage. Based on that, it was 3 more goals over the all the games he played. So 3 lucky bounces, instead of bad bounces, he's ranked 7th.
That's just looking at stats.
Let's hear from Ducks fans that watched him play. But I'm going to look at the stats when the Ducks were struggling.
The Ducks were off to a horrendous start. First 6 games he played, he had a GAA of 1.70, and a SV% of 0.94, and his record was (0-3-2, he didn't start in one game, but played 47 min). Ducks score a total of 1 goal in ALL 6 games.
After 11 games, his record was (3-5-2), with GAA of 2.03, and SV% of .934. Ducks scored 16 times in those 11 games (1.45 GFPG)
Doesn't sound very average to me. Did he have some bad games? Yes. But not often, and he bounced back from those games. Plus if he loses 5-0 to Tampa, is it because of his poor play or are there team issues?
Plus I would hardly say the Ducks have strong defence. Vatanen, Bieksa, Fowler, Lindholm, Despres, Stoner, Manson, Theodore are hardly a defensive wall. Fowler was -8, Bieksa was -7, and both played 21+ min per game.
Sorry but I'm not sure what stats Ron Vollman is using to support his claim that Andersen is only an average goalie, but I just don't see it. I know he has a website and all, and has written for Hockeys News, etc., but I'm not seeing what he sees, even with the basic analytics that are usually used.
Also, I think the Leafs are not going to be horrendous in a couple of years. I think they are going to benefit from the salary cap crunch and the expansion to Vegas. I can see them getting a couple more dmen cheap (even from Anaheim, who is stuck cap-wise and have a glut of young dmen).
canucksfreak19
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The one thing he did say was that GAA, and wins/win percentage are team stats, not individual stats. And he ranks middle of the pack in both FSv% and CSv%. And in his defense Vollman was talking about the last three seasons, not just last season, looking at the whole picture. Not just the snapshot of last season.
tiger tiger
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Interesting. I'm curious about analytics too.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...alies&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
Just looking at FSV% for the last 3 seasons: (Note the range for FSV% is about 1.5 to 1.75 points over 30 spots, so it makes the rankings super tight.)
Last year, for goalies with min. 1500 min., Andersen was ranked 12th. (note, Price is omitted).
1 REIMER, JAMES San_Jose 95.73
2 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 95.58
3 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 95.54
4 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 95.37
5 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 95.24
6 DOMINGUE, LOUIS Arizona 95.24
7 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 95.23
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 95.23
9 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 95.15
10 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 95.12
11 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 95
12 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 94.99
13 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 94.94
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 94.94
15 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.9
16 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 94.84
17 MILLER, RYAN Vancouver 94.83
18 JOHNSON, CHAD Buffalo 94.81
19 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 94.8
20 NIEMI, ANTTI Dallas 94.74
21 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.67
22 JONES, MARTIN San_Jose 94.67
23 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 94.56
24 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 94.55
25 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.43
26 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 94.35
27 WARD, CAM Carolina 94.29
28 TALBOT, CAM Edmonton 94.26
29 RAMO, KARRI Calgary 94.2
30 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 94.09
The previous year: (ranked 22nd) Min. 1500 min.
1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.88
2 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 95.87
3 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 95.56
4 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 95.37
5 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 95.27
6 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 95.12
7 TALBOT, CAM NY_Rangers 95.09
8 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 95.06
9 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 95.01
10 HILLER, JONAS Calgary 94.99
11 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 94.95
12 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 94.95
13 PAVELEC, ONDREJ Winnipeg 94.93
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 94.89
15 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.78
16 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 94.77
17 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 94.62
18 HUTCHINSON, MICHAEL Winnipeg 94.59
19 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 94.58
20 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 94.48
21 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 94.46
22 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 94.44
23 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 94.43
24 NIEMI, ANTTI San_Jose 94.4
25 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.31
26 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 94.19
27 HOWARD, JIMMY Detroit 94.14
28 LACK, EDDIE Vancouver 94.08
29 WARD, CAM Carolina 94.08
30 ENROTH, JHONAS Dallas 94.05
3 years ago: Andersen played back up to Hiller, and ranked 12th. (based on 1000 minutes min.)
1 HARDING, JOSH Minnesota 95.97
2 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 95.81
3 GREISS, THOMAS Arizona 95.63
4 KHUDOBIN, ANTON Carolina 95.46
5 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 95.44
6 KUEMPER, DARCY Minnesota 95.32
7 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 95.27
8 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 95.23
9 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.22
10 JOHNSON, CHAD Boston 95.22
11 SCRIVENS, BEN Edmonton 95.17
12 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 95.06
13 STALOCK, ALEX San_Jose 95.03
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 95.02
15 BRYZGALOV, ILYA Minnesota 95
16 ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.97
17 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 94.92
18 LEHTONEN, KARI Dallas 94.88
19 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 94.87
20 HILLER, JONAS Anaheim 94.87
21 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 94.87
22 REIMER, JAMES Toronto 94.8
23 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 94.78
24 SMITH, MIKE Arizona 94.76
25 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 94.68
26 LACK, EDDIE Vancouver 94.63
27 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.46
28 MONTOYA, AL Winnipeg 94.46
29 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 94.46
30 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 94.43
38 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.46
77 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 92.77
3 year avg for:
Andersen: 94.83
Luongo: 94.99
Quick: 94.89
Rinne: 94.08 (2 year avg = 94.73, not including outlier from 3 years ago)
Holtby: 94.98
Lundqvist: 95.14
Bishop: 94.88
Crawford: 94.75
Fleury: 94.71
Steve Mason: 95.19!!!
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...alies&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
Just looking at FSV% for the last 3 seasons: (Note the range for FSV% is about 1.5 to 1.75 points over 30 spots, so it makes the rankings super tight.)
Last year, for goalies with min. 1500 min., Andersen was ranked 12th. (note, Price is omitted).
1 REIMER, JAMES San_Jose 95.73
2 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 95.58
3 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 95.54
4 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 95.37
5 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 95.24
6 DOMINGUE, LOUIS Arizona 95.24
7 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 95.23
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 95.23
9 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 95.15
10 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 95.12
11 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 95
12 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 94.99
13 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 94.94
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 94.94
15 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.9
16 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 94.84
17 MILLER, RYAN Vancouver 94.83
18 JOHNSON, CHAD Buffalo 94.81
19 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 94.8
20 NIEMI, ANTTI Dallas 94.74
21 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.67
22 JONES, MARTIN San_Jose 94.67
23 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 94.56
24 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 94.55
25 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.43
26 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 94.35
27 WARD, CAM Carolina 94.29
28 TALBOT, CAM Edmonton 94.26
29 RAMO, KARRI Calgary 94.2
30 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 94.09
The previous year: (ranked 22nd) Min. 1500 min.
1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.88
2 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 95.87
3 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 95.56
4 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 95.37
5 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 95.27
6 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 95.12
7 TALBOT, CAM NY_Rangers 95.09
8 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 95.06
9 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 95.01
10 HILLER, JONAS Calgary 94.99
11 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 94.95
12 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 94.95
13 PAVELEC, ONDREJ Winnipeg 94.93
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 94.89
15 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.78
16 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 94.77
17 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 94.62
18 HUTCHINSON, MICHAEL Winnipeg 94.59
19 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 94.58
20 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 94.48
21 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 94.46
22 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 94.44
23 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 94.43
24 NIEMI, ANTTI San_Jose 94.4
25 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.31
26 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 94.19
27 HOWARD, JIMMY Detroit 94.14
28 LACK, EDDIE Vancouver 94.08
29 WARD, CAM Carolina 94.08
30 ENROTH, JHONAS Dallas 94.05
3 years ago: Andersen played back up to Hiller, and ranked 12th. (based on 1000 minutes min.)
1 HARDING, JOSH Minnesota 95.97
2 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 95.81
3 GREISS, THOMAS Arizona 95.63
4 KHUDOBIN, ANTON Carolina 95.46
5 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 95.44
6 KUEMPER, DARCY Minnesota 95.32
7 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 95.27
8 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 95.23
9 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.22
10 JOHNSON, CHAD Boston 95.22
11 SCRIVENS, BEN Edmonton 95.17
12 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 95.06
13 STALOCK, ALEX San_Jose 95.03
14 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 95.02
15 BRYZGALOV, ILYA Minnesota 95
16 ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.97
17 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 94.92
18 LEHTONEN, KARI Dallas 94.88
19 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 94.87
20 HILLER, JONAS Anaheim 94.87
21 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 94.87
22 REIMER, JAMES Toronto 94.8
23 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 94.78
24 SMITH, MIKE Arizona 94.76
25 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 94.68
26 LACK, EDDIE Vancouver 94.63
27 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.46
28 MONTOYA, AL Winnipeg 94.46
29 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 94.46
30 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 94.43
38 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 94.46
77 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 92.77
3 year avg for:
Andersen: 94.83
Luongo: 94.99
Quick: 94.89
Rinne: 94.08 (2 year avg = 94.73, not including outlier from 3 years ago)
Holtby: 94.98
Lundqvist: 95.14
Bishop: 94.88
Crawford: 94.75
Fleury: 94.71
Steve Mason: 95.19!!!
tiger tiger
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Ok...did my own analysis.
FSV% for last 3 years, for goalies that played minimum 750 min. in all 3 seasons.
1. Rask 95.2
2. Mason 95.19
3. Lundqvist 95.14
4. Talbot 95.07
5. Griess 95.06
6. Elliott 95.04
7. Luongo 94.99
8. Holtby 94.98
9. Quick 94.95
10. Bishop 94.88
11. Andersen 94.83
12. Anderson, C 94.75
13. Crawford 94.75
14. Schneider 94.74
15. Varlamov 94.73
16. Fleury 94.71
17. Smith 94.71
18. Reimer 94.67
19. Dubnyk 94.6
20. Bernier 94.55
21. Niemi 94.49
22. Bobrobsky 94.40
23. Keumper 94.40
24. Halak 94.40
25. Johnson, C 94.31
26. Miller 94.26
27. Pavelec 94.25
28. Howard 94.21
29. Hiller 94.20
30. Lehtonen 94.20
31. Lack 94.15
32. Hutton 94.13
33. Ramo 94.13
34. Montoya 94.09
35. Ward 93.09
36. Rinne 94.08
37. Lehner 93.95
35. Lehner 93.95
Noteable omissions: Price, Gibson, Allen, Mrazek (only 2 years)
I'll add in the 2 year stats too later.
Andersen at 12th. Not seeing how Andersen is ranked 22nd, and 3 goalies that wouldn't be considered sure fire #1 goalies are ranked ahead.
FSV% for last 3 years, for goalies that played minimum 750 min. in all 3 seasons.
1. Rask 95.2
2. Mason 95.19
3. Lundqvist 95.14
4. Talbot 95.07
5. Griess 95.06
6. Elliott 95.04
7. Luongo 94.99
8. Holtby 94.98
9. Quick 94.95
10. Bishop 94.88
11. Andersen 94.83
12. Anderson, C 94.75
13. Crawford 94.75
14. Schneider 94.74
15. Varlamov 94.73
16. Fleury 94.71
17. Smith 94.71
18. Reimer 94.67
19. Dubnyk 94.6
20. Bernier 94.55
21. Niemi 94.49
22. Bobrobsky 94.40
23. Keumper 94.40
24. Halak 94.40
25. Johnson, C 94.31
26. Miller 94.26
27. Pavelec 94.25
28. Howard 94.21
29. Hiller 94.20
30. Lehtonen 94.20
31. Lack 94.15
32. Hutton 94.13
33. Ramo 94.13
34. Montoya 94.09
35. Ward 93.09
36. Rinne 94.08
37. Lehner 93.95
35. Lehner 93.95
Noteable omissions: Price, Gibson, Allen, Mrazek (only 2 years)
I'll add in the 2 year stats too later.
Andersen at 12th. Not seeing how Andersen is ranked 22nd, and 3 goalies that wouldn't be considered sure fire #1 goalies are ranked ahead.
tiger tiger
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Here's additional goalies who have stats for only 2 of the last 3 years with over 750 minute played.
HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 95.69
PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.55
JONES, MARTIN Los_Angeles 95.425
MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.845
NEUVIRTH, MICHAL NY_Islanders 94.8
ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.51
ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.49
GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.47
Andersen ranked 16th with the top 4 included in rank.
HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 95.69
PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.55
JONES, MARTIN Los_Angeles 95.425
MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.845
NEUVIRTH, MICHAL NY_Islanders 94.8
ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.51
ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.49
GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.47
Andersen ranked 16th with the top 4 included in rank.
tiger tiger
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After looking at the stats and analyzing it for goalies, I'm not sure if FSV% is a good indicator of a good goalie. If I have time, I'll look at CSV%.
If it's based on just FSV%, then Ducks should have traded Gibson instead to the Flyers to get Mason in return.
And StL should have shipped Allen instead of Elliott to Calgary. If Tom Rowe or John Chayka was the GM for the Preds, Rinne would be shipped out asap.
Analytics has always been hard on G and dmen, because there are so many intangibles, and I don't think anyone has figured out a way for complete analytics for goalies.
If it's based on just FSV%, then Ducks should have traded Gibson instead to the Flyers to get Mason in return.
And StL should have shipped Allen instead of Elliott to Calgary. If Tom Rowe or John Chayka was the GM for the Preds, Rinne would be shipped out asap.
Analytics has always been hard on G and dmen, because there are so many intangibles, and I don't think anyone has figured out a way for complete analytics for goalies.
tiger tiger
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CSV% based on 3 year avg with minimum 750 min. played per season.
1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 96.91
2 HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 96.8
3 JONES, MARTIN San_Jose 96.71
4 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 96.47333333
5 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 96.41333333
6 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 96.40666667
7 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 96.36666667
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 96.35
9 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 96.34
10 TALBOT, CAM Edmonton 96.29666667
11 NEUVIRTH, MICHAL Philadelphia 96.23
12 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 96.17666667
13 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 96.17
14 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 96.16
15 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 96.16
16 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 96.14333333
17 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 96.10666667
18 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 96.08666667
19 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 96.07
20 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 96.01333333
21 SMITH, MIKE Arizona 96.00666667
22 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 96.005
23 NIEMI, ANTTI Dallas 95.99666667
24 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 95.98666667
25 ENROTH, JHONAS Dallas 95.975
26 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 95.93
27 RAMO, KARRI Calgary 95.92666667
28 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 95.925
29 HILLER, JONAS Calgary 95.90333333
30 REIMER, JAMES San_Jose 95.9
31 KUEMPER, DARCY Minnesota 95.88
32 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 95.875
33 JOHNSON, CHAD Buffalo 95.87
34 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 95.83666667
35 STALOCK, ALEX San_Jose 95.83
36 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 95.79
37 LEHTONEN, KARI Dallas 95.77666667
38 PAVELEC, ONDREJ Winnipeg 95.75666667
39 KHUDOBIN, ANTON Carolina 95.745
40 HUTTON, CARTER Nashville 95.72333333
41 MILLER, RYAN Vancouver 95.71666667
42 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 95.70666667
43 LINDBACK, ANDERS Buffalo 95.63
44 LACK, EDDIE Carolina 95.62
45 WARD, CAM Carolina 95.58666667
46 MONTOYA, AL Florida 95.55
47 NILSSON, ANDERS St.Louis 95.525
48 SCRIVENS, BEN Edmonton 95.52
49 HOWARD, JIMMY Detroit 95.49333333
50 EMERY, RAY Philadelphia 95.48
51 RAANTA, ANTTI Chicago 95.42
52 HUTCHINSON, MICHAEL Winnipeg 95.335
53 LEHNER, ROBIN Buffalo 95.27666667
54 MCELHINNEY, CURTIS Columbus 95.225
55 GUSTAVSSON, JONAS Boston 95.04
56 BACKSTROM, NIKLAS Minnesota 94.65
1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 96.91
2 HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 96.8
3 JONES, MARTIN San_Jose 96.71
4 MASON, STEVE Philadelphia 96.47333333
5 LUNDQVIST, HENRIK NY_Rangers 96.41333333
6 ELLIOTT, BRIAN St.Louis 96.40666667
7 RASK, TUUKKA Boston 96.36666667
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 96.35
9 HOLTBY, BRADEN Washington 96.34
10 TALBOT, CAM Edmonton 96.29666667
11 NEUVIRTH, MICHAL Philadelphia 96.23
12 QUICK, JONATHAN Los_Angeles 96.17666667
13 LUONGO, ROBERTO Florida 96.17
14 ANDERSEN, FREDERIK Anaheim 96.16
15 BISHOP, BEN Tampa 96.16
16 VARLAMOV, SEMYON Colorado 96.14333333
17 FLEURY, MARC-ANDRE Pittsburgh 96.10666667
18 DUBNYK, DEVAN Minnesota 96.08666667
19 CRAWFORD, COREY Chicago 96.07
20 SCHNEIDER, CORY New_Jersey 96.01333333
21 SMITH, MIKE Arizona 96.00666667
22 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 96.005
23 NIEMI, ANTTI Dallas 95.99666667
24 HALAK, JAROSLAV NY_Islanders 95.98666667
25 ENROTH, JHONAS Dallas 95.975
26 ANDERSON, CRAIG Ottawa 95.93
27 RAMO, KARRI Calgary 95.92666667
28 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 95.925
29 HILLER, JONAS Calgary 95.90333333
30 REIMER, JAMES San_Jose 95.9
31 KUEMPER, DARCY Minnesota 95.88
32 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 95.875
33 JOHNSON, CHAD Buffalo 95.87
34 BERNIER, JONATHAN Toronto 95.83666667
35 STALOCK, ALEX San_Jose 95.83
36 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI Columbus 95.79
37 LEHTONEN, KARI Dallas 95.77666667
38 PAVELEC, ONDREJ Winnipeg 95.75666667
39 KHUDOBIN, ANTON Carolina 95.745
40 HUTTON, CARTER Nashville 95.72333333
41 MILLER, RYAN Vancouver 95.71666667
42 RINNE, PEKKA Nashville 95.70666667
43 LINDBACK, ANDERS Buffalo 95.63
44 LACK, EDDIE Carolina 95.62
45 WARD, CAM Carolina 95.58666667
46 MONTOYA, AL Florida 95.55
47 NILSSON, ANDERS St.Louis 95.525
48 SCRIVENS, BEN Edmonton 95.52
49 HOWARD, JIMMY Detroit 95.49333333
50 EMERY, RAY Philadelphia 95.48
51 RAANTA, ANTTI Chicago 95.42
52 HUTCHINSON, MICHAEL Winnipeg 95.335
53 LEHNER, ROBIN Buffalo 95.27666667
54 MCELHINNEY, CURTIS Columbus 95.225
55 GUSTAVSSON, JONAS Boston 95.04
56 BACKSTROM, NIKLAS Minnesota 94.65
tiger tiger
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Taking average position of FSV% and CSV%, here are the rankings: (ignore the number after the team name. I got lazy to delete). Disclaimer: these are quick rough numbers, and haven't been double checked for accuracy.
T1 HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 95.69
T1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.55
3 JONES, MARTIN Los_Angeles 95.425
4 Mason 95.19
5 Lundqvist 95.14
6 Rask 95.2
7 Elliott 95.04
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 96.35
9 Talbot 95.07
10 Holtby 94.98
11 Luongo 94.99
12 Quick 94.95
13 NEUVIRTH, MICHAL NY_Islanders 94.8
14 Bishop 94.88
15 Andersen 94.83
16 Varlamov 94.73
17 Crawford 94.75
18 Fleury 94.71
19 Schneider 94.74
20 Dubnyk 94.6
21 Anderson, C 94.75
22 Smith 94.71
23 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.845
24 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.49
25 Niemi 94.49
26 ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.51
27 Reimer 94.67
28 Halak 94.40
29 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.47
30 Bernier 94.55
31 Keumper 94.40
32 Bobrobsky 94.40
33 Hiller 94.20
34 Johnson, C 94.31
35 Ramo 94.13
36 Pavelec 94.25
37 Lehtonen 94.20
38 Miller 94.26
39 Hutton 94.13
40 Lack 94.15
41 Howard 94.21
42 Rinne 94.08
43 Montoya 94.09
44 Ward 93.09
45 Lehner 93.95
T1 HAMMOND, ANDREW Ottawa 95.69
T1 PRICE, CAREY Montreal 95.55
3 JONES, MARTIN Los_Angeles 95.425
4 Mason 95.19
5 Lundqvist 95.14
6 Rask 95.2
7 Elliott 95.04
8 GREISS, THOMAS NY_Islanders 96.35
9 Talbot 95.07
10 Holtby 94.98
11 Luongo 94.99
12 Quick 94.95
13 NEUVIRTH, MICHAL NY_Islanders 94.8
14 Bishop 94.88
15 Andersen 94.83
16 Varlamov 94.73
17 Crawford 94.75
18 Fleury 94.71
19 Schneider 94.74
20 Dubnyk 94.6
21 Anderson, C 94.75
22 Smith 94.71
23 MRAZEK, PETR Detroit 94.845
24 ALLEN, JAKE St.Louis 94.49
25 Niemi 94.49
26 ENROTH, JHONAS Buffalo 94.51
27 Reimer 94.67
28 Halak 94.40
29 GIBSON, JOHN Anaheim 94.47
30 Bernier 94.55
31 Keumper 94.40
32 Bobrobsky 94.40
33 Hiller 94.20
34 Johnson, C 94.31
35 Ramo 94.13
36 Pavelec 94.25
37 Lehtonen 94.20
38 Miller 94.26
39 Hutton 94.13
40 Lack 94.15
41 Howard 94.21
42 Rinne 94.08
43 Montoya 94.09
44 Ward 93.09
45 Lehner 93.95
tiger tiger
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With average ranking, Andersen ranks 15th. But there are a few goalies that look like they're over-achieving.
Regardless, I'd put Andersen in the 9-13th rankings for goalies. IMO, after the top 5 big name goalies in the league, the next 15 are all pretty close to one another. There isn't a huge differential from 6th to 20th. So in reality, middle of the pack is pretty good, and would rank Andersen in the upper end of the 'middle of the pack'.
If you factor in age, then Andersen is in the top 10 goalies this side of 30. Based on analytics, Elliott would be the better choice, but he's 5 years older.
Plus Bernier ranked 30th (Reimer is 27th), so getting a goalie ranked 15th, that's a huge upgrade. Even with that, Leafs were 25th in GA/GP, and 10th highest in SA/G.
And based on the trade, it is Anderson for Sam Steel (I really like Sam Steel, so I think Ducks did well with their pick.)
Side note. Look where Rinne ranks!!
I'm still curious where the "22nd rank" comes from because I can't see it in the numbers (plus it puts you in the middle of the non-playoff teams). List out 21 starters in the league that you would rank ahead of Andersen. I don't think you get more than 12-14, and when you list out 15-21 ranked goalies, it's not looking that great.
Also looking at the analytics rankings, Andersen is ranked higher than if you based in on on SV% (at least for this past year).
So how I would interpret that is that the team defense doesn't boost Andersen's numbers, although the Ducks do not allow a lot of shots (4th) and had the lowest GA/GP. So I would say the goaltending added a bit to the overall team defense.
I would assume that's why Mason is up there in FSV% and CSV%, but is ranked 20th in SV%. It means that Philly's defense is really bad, and they allow a lot of shots/scoring chances.
Looking a bit more closely, teams that I would say have a good defense but a below average goalie are:
Canes: Ward/Lack
Jets: Pavelec
Stars: Lehtonen/Niemi (but now lost Golgoski)
Habs: Injured Price/Condon
And teams with average defense but weak goaltending as:
Calgary: Hiller/Ramo
Leafs: Bernier/Scrivens/Sparks
CBJ: injured Bobrov/Korpisalo
average to Weak d with weak goalie:
Arizona: injured Smith/Dominigue
Oilers: Talbot
Avs: Varly
Nucks: Miller
Sens: Anderson
About a half dozen teams with avg d and goaltending.
I will also go out on a limb right now that the Hawks goaltending helped more than the defense. And Nashville's team d helped out more than it's goaltending.
Regardless, I'd put Andersen in the 9-13th rankings for goalies. IMO, after the top 5 big name goalies in the league, the next 15 are all pretty close to one another. There isn't a huge differential from 6th to 20th. So in reality, middle of the pack is pretty good, and would rank Andersen in the upper end of the 'middle of the pack'.
If you factor in age, then Andersen is in the top 10 goalies this side of 30. Based on analytics, Elliott would be the better choice, but he's 5 years older.
Plus Bernier ranked 30th (Reimer is 27th), so getting a goalie ranked 15th, that's a huge upgrade. Even with that, Leafs were 25th in GA/GP, and 10th highest in SA/G.
And based on the trade, it is Anderson for Sam Steel (I really like Sam Steel, so I think Ducks did well with their pick.)
Side note. Look where Rinne ranks!!
I'm still curious where the "22nd rank" comes from because I can't see it in the numbers (plus it puts you in the middle of the non-playoff teams). List out 21 starters in the league that you would rank ahead of Andersen. I don't think you get more than 12-14, and when you list out 15-21 ranked goalies, it's not looking that great.
Also looking at the analytics rankings, Andersen is ranked higher than if you based in on on SV% (at least for this past year).
So how I would interpret that is that the team defense doesn't boost Andersen's numbers, although the Ducks do not allow a lot of shots (4th) and had the lowest GA/GP. So I would say the goaltending added a bit to the overall team defense.
I would assume that's why Mason is up there in FSV% and CSV%, but is ranked 20th in SV%. It means that Philly's defense is really bad, and they allow a lot of shots/scoring chances.
Looking a bit more closely, teams that I would say have a good defense but a below average goalie are:
Canes: Ward/Lack
Jets: Pavelec
Stars: Lehtonen/Niemi (but now lost Golgoski)
Habs: Injured Price/Condon
And teams with average defense but weak goaltending as:
Calgary: Hiller/Ramo
Leafs: Bernier/Scrivens/Sparks
CBJ: injured Bobrov/Korpisalo
average to Weak d with weak goalie:
Arizona: injured Smith/Dominigue
Oilers: Talbot
Avs: Varly
Nucks: Miller
Sens: Anderson
About a half dozen teams with avg d and goaltending.
I will also go out on a limb right now that the Hawks goaltending helped more than the defense. And Nashville's team d helped out more than it's goaltending.
canucksfreak19
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Found the interview, and Vollman said, based on the last three seasons he ranks 23rd in Save %, 25th in adjusted Save %, and 26th in Home Plate Save %. He said it's a pretty big risk for the Leafs, but that, unless you have a top-tier goalie teams should take a chance on a cheaper goalie, and spend the savings on a d-man.
