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anyone who is familiar with martin sports knows he is The guy who IS well known for laser cutting sheets and submitting cards to BGS, always recieving 9.5's and 10's. well i just noticed that he is no longer a registered user on ebay. anybody know whats up? he's been on the bay for a long long time

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Last time I was out to his shop, the guy who works for him said they were getting ready to pack up and move the shop very soon. Maybe it is part of that proces......
 
I know he's moving, but I don't know why he would de-register himself at all. all you have to do is change your address. that's what I did when I moved.

but given that he's in the same town as me ......Guelph.... I should stop in if I have a chance to see what's going on.
 
Last time I was in there, I heard the owner guy (who's always hiding in the back) talking to his bankd - didn't sound very good either. I'm not sure he is getting enough business. He is kind of out of the way (although very close and convenient to me at work), so hopefully if he's just moving he's moving somewhere with more traffic. More hobby shops with cards is always a good thing :)

Kev
 
I don't think location is the problem, I think it's the feel when you walk into there...it just doesn't feel like a place you want to hang out in. When they first opened they said they had all kinds of plans for trade nights and stuff like that, but I guess that was scrapped.

I have only been there once since I cleared him out of his Franchises boxes ;)
 
I spoke to that guy once and he made me feel like I was a pain in the *** for asking a question about something.

Also he and BGS have done a great job devaluing vintage graded cards, meh...
 
I spoke to that guy once and he made me feel like I was a pain in the *** for asking a question about something.

Also he and BGS have done a great job devaluing vintage graded cards, meh...


You got that right. I sold every graded rookie from the 80's I had a few years ago because he keeps cutting more sheets. I lost a lot of money selling off my cards. I doesn't help that bgs is to easy on grades now.
 
You got that right. I sold every graded rookie from the 80's I had a few years ago because he keeps cutting more sheets. I lost a lot of money selling off my cards. I doesn't help that bgs is to easy on grades now.

You guys are all clueless as to how this is really done. First of all, nothing is laser cut - that's the biggest myth in the hobby period. The cutting is actually done by hand (as any laser leaves clear burn marks along the side of the card - after all, that's how laser's cut) with a tool that similar to what architects use while drafting. Also, there were only a handful of sheets available to be cut up into 9.5's or 10's. In fact 75% of all the high end OPC graded rookies out there (Martin Sports, KBboyboo etc.) all came from the same place - an auction several years back of uncut sheets dating back to the 1970's. The auction was of the old OPC Plant managers estate, as he had kept 2-uncut sheets of every year of OPC since he was hired in the early 1970's. They were all in his garage when he died, and his wife auctioned them off for over $250,000. Jason Martin won this auction.

Therefore there's only a handful of truly vintage 9.5's and 10's out there, and since there are no more uncut sheets that anyone is aware of (although it's possible there's 1-2 lying around in someones basement somewhere), there will be no more 9.5 or 10 graded 1970's rookies. The 80's stuff is a little more available though - but either way - the supply is not endless as some of you have mentioned. These cards are somewhat unique due to the process that gets them to be graded so high, but they are 100% authentic cards non the less, and there is a very limited supply at the end of the day. Good lukc trying to pull a 9.5 Marcel Dionne rookie out of a pack.
 
You got that right. I sold every graded rookie from the 80's I had a few years ago because he keeps cutting more sheets. I lost a lot of money selling off my cards. I doesn't help that bgs is to easy on grades now.

I will admit that BGS is easier on grading when it comes to their big customers though, that parts true. However it's not as agregious that a 8.5 card gets bumped to a 9.5 card just because you're a frequent customer. However PSA has their issues as well, as does SCG. For example I've been told that SCG is partially owned by Brian Wendt from BMW Sportscards - which makes sense why he has so many amazing grading SCG rookies in his collection. It's a fishy business at the end of the day.
 
You guys are all clueless as to how this is really done. First of all, nothing is laser cut - that's the biggest myth in the hobby period. The cutting is actually done by hand (as any laser leaves clear burn marks along the side of the card - after all, that's how laser's cut) with a tool that similar to what architects use while drafting. Also, there were only a handful of sheets available to be cut up into 9.5's or 10's. In fact 75% of all the high end OPC graded rookies out there (Martin Sports, KBboyboo etc.) all came from the same place - an auction several years back of uncut sheets dating back to the 1970's. The auction was of the old OPC Plant managers estate, as he had kept 2-uncut sheets of every year of OPC since he was hired in the early 1970's. They were all in his garage when he died, and his wife auctioned them off for over $250,000. Jason Martin won this auction.

Therefore there's only a handful of truly vintage 9.5's and 10's out there, and since there are no more uncut sheets that anyone is aware of (although it's possible there's 1-2 lying around in someones basement somewhere), there will be no more 9.5 or 10 graded 1970's rookies. The 80's stuff is a little more available though - but either way - the supply is not endless as some of you have mentioned. These cards are somewhat unique due to the process that gets them to be graded so high, but they are 100% authentic cards non the less, and there is a very limited supply at the end of the day. Good lukc trying to pull a 9.5 Marcel Dionne rookie out of a pack.

Oh my god buddy - what a joke.


I never said they were cut by a laser - get real. In actual fact it is actually guided by a laser "sight" and cut with a cnc controlled machine - which is where the term laser cutting comes from - so in fact anyone calling it laser cut is right and YOU are wrong for assuming that they meant the laser cut the cardboard. :rolleyes:

And it doesn't take long to watch how BGS graded cards have become less valuable in the last year and why. Maybe not so much for the seventies stuff but certainly for the mid 80's.
 

Oh my god buddy - what a joke.


I never said they were cut by a laser - get real. In actual fact it is actually guided by a laser "sight" and cut with a cnc controlled machine - which is where the term laser cutting comes from - so in fact anyone calling it laser cut is right and YOU are wrong for assuming that they meant the laser cut the cardboard. :rolleyes:

And it doesn't take long to watch how BGS graded cards have become less valuable in the last year and why. Maybe not so much for the seventies stuff but certainly for the mid 80's.

They're still real cards - they were obtained from actual sheets - so they're not reprints. I don't like it, and I know most of the folks here don't - but they are legitimate cards. If these cards were coming from sheets that were being reprinted after the original print run was done, then there's an issue. But it's not like OPC was diligent about disposing the sheets after they were done, dumpster diving was happening a fair bit back then.

One person's opinion might be different from another's, but that's what collecting is all about. But there's no need to be slamming someone because their opinion is different than your's - just disagree.

As far as prices go, yeah if more cards come around to be graded, it's inevitable that the supply goes up eventually, bringing down prices - Econ 101. The only way you can guarantee prices staying over the long term is if you have a serially numbered print run and it's controlled by however many parties locking it down.

What kills me is the number of people get so upset about what is supposed to be a hobby - if they're gonna get that upset, collect or do something else that won't raise the blood pressure 50 points.
 

Oh my god buddy - what a joke.


I never said they were cut by a laser - get real. In actual fact it is actually guided by a laser "sight" and cut with a cnc controlled machine - which is where the term laser cutting comes from - so in fact anyone calling it laser cut is right and YOU are wrong for assuming that they meant the laser cut the cardboard. :rolleyes:

And it doesn't take long to watch how BGS graded cards have become less valuable in the last year and why. Maybe not so much for the seventies stuff but certainly for the mid 80's.

Really??? I'm wrong to 'Assume' they said one thing but actually meant something else??? Are you reading what you are typing? And no, I've never witnessed a laser involved once (and I've seen cards cut a few times now), so I would argue otherwise. Besides, re-read everyone's comments and tell me they're talking about the laser you've just mentioned.....they're not. The common assumption is laser 'cutting' the cards.

And don't call me buddy, I have no idea who you are nor do I care.
 

Oh my god buddy - what a joke.


I never said they were cut by a laser - get real. In actual fact it is actually guided by a laser "sight" and cut with a cnc controlled machine - which is where the term laser cutting comes from - so in fact anyone calling it laser cut is right and YOU are wrong for assuming that they meant the laser cut the cardboard. :rolleyes:

And it doesn't take long to watch how BGS graded cards have become less valuable in the last year and why. Maybe not so much for the seventies stuff but certainly for the mid 80's.

And 80's cards have come down in price in the last year have they? Huh...I guess that wouldn't have anything to do with the overall trend of ALL CARDS coming down in price would it?? I mean it's probably a stretch to link the two right?? Welcome to the recession.

Besides most of these cards were 'cut' and on the market 2-3 years ago, not last year - so there's little weight to your arguement.
 
and this one has run it's course.. :foottap:

Interested parties can continue this via the Private Message conduit..

Brian

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