Official Stanley Cup Finals Thread: Pens vs. Wings

Who will win it all in how many games?

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cards-gotta-go said:
I'm ticked about 3 things:

1. The phantom goalie interference call on Zetterberg in the 1st OT.
2. The phantom goalie interference call on Cleary in the 2nd OT.
3. The ref letting the puck hit him in the backside, which immediately led to the goal to end OT. That being the THIRD time the puck hit him in the game. He almost cost each team once during regulation because he couldn't get out of the way.

Anybody notice that all of these 3 were done by the same referee?
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#1 and #2 were horrendous. i couldn't believe my eyes.

as for #3, i have nothing left to say. i think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
lecavalier4ever said:
#1 and #2 were horrendous. i couldn't believe my eyes.

as for #3, i have nothing left to say. i think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
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#3 - At least Adam Hall didn't let up and ran him over when he didn't get out of the way. When a ref impedes a players progress with the puck, maybe it's time he goes back to ref school and learns positioning on the ice. The one ref was constantly out of position and had pucks, and players bouncing off him. Absolutely ridiculous. We don't see or hear most of what happens out there, but I'm sure the players were giving him the business.
 
I would have thought with Devorski and O'Halloran as the referees this wouldn't happen. :|

That puck should have been ringing around the boards, back into Pittsburgh's end, not on Malkin's stick... what a terrible way to end a classic game.
 
I thought the story of the game was in the first period. The Wings were everything that you don't expect them to be namely flustered, tentative and sloppy. It's tough to come back from a 2-0 hole in the playoffs. Ozzie never got set on the first goal by Hossa and then it was just terrible misfortune on the Staal goal but that's hockey. Pittsburgh deserves credit for not getting all panicky and making nice plays to cycle and keep the puck in the zone in the last minute. Talbot was given way too much freedom there but I guess everyone else was covering some other Penguin. I won't lie to you- it hurts- it especially hurt when a buddy of mine from T.O. called to rub it in at that point and he doesn't even like the Pens. Fleury made some great saves to be sure and I thought Ozzie was just ordinary and that doesn't cut it in the finals. To Eugene's points about the final minute of regulation, I think the fact that there was no stoppage for awhile really worked against the Wings- it was just total running around out there and if you notice when that initial shot came in Ozzie had really cheated to his other post thinking that it was gonna be a cross-crease pass attempt and therefore did not have the left post covered at all. Getting 3 penalties in OT vs. the Penguins getting called for 1 didn't help matters but you can't argue Hudler's call- those are the rules and that's about as clear "cut" as you can get. I don't have a lot of respect for Therrien at all but as I watch the Penguins more and more it is easy to see that they should be excellent for a very long time. They are a hard working bunch that as the series has gone on have shown a lot more maturity than you would expect from such a young team.
 
My biggest probelm from last night's game, besides the phantom goalie interference calls, is that on Detroit's only PP in OT, the Penguins defender shot the puck over the glass and hit the mesh in the corner... it should have been a 5 on 3 for Detroit for about 1:30 and the game would have been over. You are telling me that none of the four officials on the ice saw the puck hit that mesh?? No way!! They wanted Pittsburgh to win that game, and thats the onl explanation for the brutal calls on Detroit in OT and the blatent non-calls on Pittsburgh! I am definitely not going to argue the Hudler penalty, cuz that was clear cut, but so was the un-noticed puck over the glass and it didn't get called!

Of course I cannot say for sure they would have scored on a 5 on 3, but I think everyone would agree that they most likely would have!

Oh well, still up 3-2 I guess and I guess they are just going with history and wanna win it in Game 6 again, like they have in 6 of their last 7 playoff series' they have won!!
 
Wow!

i'm gonna have to get a whole lot of cheese ready if the
pens get all the breaks, calls, bounces in game 6 and
happen to win........
 
C'mon CJ - you have to admit that the goalie interference calls were VERY questionable. I won't even get into Fluery's ability to help O'Halloran make those 2 calls.
 
cards-gotta-go said:
C'mon CJ - you have to admit that the goalie interference calls were VERY questionable. I won't even get into Fluery's ability to help O'Halloran make those 2 calls.
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i've got no problem saying they were questionable, along with a dozen
other calls I felt were q. also thru the series. fact is, there will be
q. calls all the way thru, you just have to live with them.

I will ask you this though, if a rebound had come out, and the wings
scored on it just after fleury got hit, what do you call then?

is it then, no goal, and interference? is it a goal? what constitutes
the dividing line? i'm not saying I know it, just seeing if someone out
there knows how the rule is written.

the wings still have nothing to be panicy about, your up 3-2.

just think where it may have been if the pens hadn't come out and played
so dumbfounded in the first 2 games, they basically spotted the wings
the first 2. if they had played all the games like 3,4,5 they could
be up 3-2 just as easy as down 3-2.

oh yeah, on fleury helping to make those 2 calls, I do recall ozzie
helping to get 2 very similiar calls in an earlier game. :rolleyes:
 
if the player cannot make a reasonable attempt to get out of the way, or he is pushed into the goalie, is is not a penalty. Fleury was barely touched on either play, and skaters still have to have the right to go to the net hard...
 
cards-gotta-go said:
and skaters still have to have the right to go to the net hard...
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... but not touch the goalie. On the first goaltender interference he touched (ran) the goalie without being pushed.

I have no idea what people are complaining about on the first penalty. By the letter of the law it's a penalty.

I think whats more concerning is that they let a lot of other stuff go only to call that.
 
Do people actually believe that the referees WANT the Penguins to win? Why? For Crosby? That's idiotic.
The Zetterberg penalty was a penalty, plain and simple. He ran Fleury after he shot the puck. He never attempted to avoid him. I am not sure the Cleary one was as clear cut but I think the refs may have figured they didn't want to let that stuff go.
 
gamebreakers said:
Do people actually believe that the referees WANT the Penguins to win? Why? For Crosby? That's idiotic.
The Zetterberg penalty was a penalty, plain and simple. He ran Fleury after he shot the puck. He never attempted to avoid him. I am not sure the Cleary one was as clear cut but I think the refs may have figured they didn't want to let that stuff go.
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Bingo! As a fan of neither team (although I am going for the pens) I have not heard this much whining since the Philly series. Get over it. The Zetty call and the Cleary call were both good calls. The league has to protect the goalies and Detroit has earned a reputation of interferring with the goalies. Bring on game 6.
 
Bossy22 said:
Bingo! As a fan of neither team (although I am going for the pens) I have not heard this much whining since the Philly series. Get over it. The Zetty call and the Cleary call were both good calls. The league has to protect the goalies and Detroit has earned a reputation of interferring with the goalies. Bring on game 6.
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That's hilarious... Anyone who calls the Cleary call a good call is obviously biased...
 
cjkuehn said:
how is the cleary call any different than the call on sykora or
malone in the earlier game?
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Cleary had the puck would be the first big difference. Second Cleary had a defense man pushing on him.

The Malone call was a bad call. I will agree Osgood added to the Sykora collision but Sykora could have easily avoided touching Osgood. Bad move on Sykoras part.
 
Jester240 said:
Cleary had the puck would be the first big difference. Second Cleary had a defense man pushing on him.

The Malone call was a bad call. I will agree Osgood added to the Sykora collision but Sykora could have easily avoided touching Osgood. Bad move on Sykoras part.
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guess it was a bad move on Cleary's part for touching Fleury, should
have done more to avoid it, like Sykora.
 
I asked this question earlier.

Do you think the NHL is colluding to make sure the Penguins win the Cup?

Conspiracy theorist minds want to know.
 
Jester240 said:
Wow. I dont even know what to say back. If you think the Sykora peanalty ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=ypFazgUTbgE ) is anything like the Cleary penalty ( http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip57016#clip57016 at the 3:30 mark )there isnt anything to discuss.
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Nice vids, your right, they are nothing alike.

first Cleary wasn't pushed at all in my opinion, he clearly ran into
the goalie who was standing his ground in the crease area.

Sykora, who didn't have the puck was going behind the goal
to try and get a piece of it and keep it from going out. the
goalie in this case, choose to leave the crease and become a
defenseman. also in my opinion, Osgood initiated the contact.

You know what, its just 2 sides of the fence. Only i'm not the
one crying about it.

Guess you're right, there isn't anything to discuss.
 

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