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If this seems like a dumb question, forgive me. I haven't sold on eBay in years because I want to avoid having to file taxes. But I have a few big ticket items that don't seem likely to move any other way. What are taxes like from a cost standpoint? I can't find any clear answer from eBay though there's a chance I just missed it.

Ultimately, I just want to know how much is going to go to fees and taxes at the end of the day.
 
Fees deducted would be the normal eBay listing and final value fees.

Sales tax is paid by the buyer if within the USA (added during the checkout/payment process). Tax rate would depend on which State they reside in.

Based on legislation that went into effect on January 1st, you (the seller) will get a Form 1099-K from eBay in January 2023 that summarizes all of your sales for calendar year 2022 if they exceed $600.
 
Just keep a log of all your sales, inventory, expenses, etc. It is VERY easy to show a loss with a self business dealing with sports cards especially if you are doing this as a hobby. I have been doing this for the last 2 years and have always showed a loss (I am a collector first, sell only to fund my collection).
 
Just keep a log of all your sales, inventory, expenses, etc. It is VERY easy to show a loss with a self business dealing with sports cards especially if you are doing this as a hobby. I have been doing this for the last 2 years and have always showed a loss (I am a collector first, sell only to fund my collection).

How does one show a loss exactly? Lets say I buy a case of something for $1,000 and sell 2 cards out of that case for $800...that exceeds the threshold for taxes and I would have to file. How would you work the cost of the case into the filings? I'd also be curious if you were to sell cards you've had for a few years without any way to show their cost. Just curious, sorry to Johnny for maybe hijacking here.
 
How does one show a loss exactly? Lets say I buy a case of something for $1,000 and sell 2 cards out of that case for $800...that exceeds the threshold for taxes and I would have to file. How would you work the cost of the case into the filings? I'd also be curious if you were to sell cards you've had for a few years without any way to show their cost. Just curious, sorry to Johnny for maybe hijacking here.

It cost you $1000, you sold it for $800. You lost $200. You don't get taxed on losses.
 
It cost you $1000, you sold it for $800. You lost $200. You don't get taxed on losses.

Do you need to be registered as a small business in order to make these adjustment?
If you are a collector and are simply selling off a few extra card to help pay for the next case.
Can you still do that.Just curious is all.
 
#1 -- ALWAYS TALK TO YOUR ACCOUNTANT OR A LICENSED TAX PROFESSIONAL TO DISCUSS YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION



Do you need to be registered as a small business in order to make these adjustment?
If you are a collector and are simply selling off a few extra card to help pay for the next case.
Can you still do that.Just curious is all.

In general, you do not need to be 'registered' as a business unless you go over certain thresholds (check with your State or Locality) or want to claim certain expenses (i.e. payroll, insurance, etc.). You are allowed to take deductions based on the expenses (shipping materials, driving to shows, ebay store fees, etc.) generated in the creation of the income even as a non-business.


Doesn't work that way. You still have unsold inventory left.

It depends. You will typically pay taxes when you generate profits. If I buy a case in January for $1000 and sell 2 cards in December for $800, I am $200 'in the red' in that calendar year and not subject to taxes at that time. If I sell 2 more cards the following January for $400, now I am subject to taxes on the profits (income above expenses) in the new calendar year and any additional sales of cards from that case are taxable. You won't typically pay taxes on non-monetized inventory.



Again, talk to your personal tax professional. I am NOT a tax professional and have only given a couple examples of scenarios from my discussions with my tax guy.
 
It depends. You will typically pay taxes when you generate profits. If I buy a case in January for $1000 and sell 2 cards in December for $800, I am $200 'in the red' in that calendar year and not subject to taxes at that time. If I sell 2 more cards the following January for $400, now I am subject to taxes on the profits (income above expenses) in the new calendar year and any additional sales of cards from that case are taxable. You won't typically pay taxes on non-monetized inventory.



Again, talk to your personal tax professional. I am NOT a tax professional and have only given a couple examples of scenarios from my discussions with my tax guy.

Might be different in the US but in Canada, you will indeed pay tax. Your remaining inventory value matters. If you buy a case for $1000, sell 2 cards for $800 and you have hundreds of cards remaining (valued at well over $200), then you've made a profit. I've been doing this for decades. It would be way too easy to just buy more inventory in December to avoid paying income tax every year.
 
Without going overboard.

You do not need to start a business or file separately.
It is taxed as ordinary income BUT:

You bought the case for $1,000.
Sell two cards for $800.
Gross Revenue is $200.

Then there are the cost associated with buying the case:
Did you pay shipping?

Did you drive to the LCS to get it?
If so mileage is deducted at $.585 cents per mile.

Did you pay sales tax - another deduction.

Did you buy : plastic sleeves, top loaders, team bags or magnetic cases?
Another deduction.

Then there are the costs associated with selling those two cards:

Listing Fees, Ebay Final Value Fees - all deductions.

Did eBay collect Sales tax - and is it noted on the End of Year Form 1099-K?
If they do not break that figure out (and they should), that comes off as well.

Did you drive to the Post Office? Yep another mileage deduction.

On every little thing you should keep track of.

And in this case - you do not get taxed on the unsold inventory.
You will get taxed later on as you sell more of that inventory, and you have already used the deductions up.

The biggest question being discussed is how to handle cards you have owned for years.
What cost basis to use?

Oversimplified - but that is a snapshot.
 
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I had to file this year and knew at the beginning of the year to keep track of expenses all year. Every show, all the shipping supplies, printer ink etc. In the end, I used Turbo tax and it really helped make things easy. I did show a small profit and the impact to my overall taxes wasn't that bad. The hard part is remembering what you bought and how much, and what was going into the PC and what is inventory. Of course at some point you go to sell that PC, then you have to find the expenses and give it a value, at the time of purchase.

So yes it sucks you have to do it, but just keep good records and use software to make it all work.

Later
Thad
 
Oops - got on a phone call.

Gross Revenue
I don't follow this - you'd have $800 of gross revenue and an unspecified residual value of unsold inventory, right? I don't get where the $200 comes in, other than as (200) (i.e., negative 200) as "revenue less costs of goods sold".

The difficult piece here is "basis" - i.e., what's the cost basis for what you're selling. If you're selling (and buying) singles, that's easy. If you're selling (and/or buying) sealed inventory, breaking it yourself and then selling a portion, that's the problem as you'd need to track (I think) both the value of the sold items (which would easily translate from their sold price) plus the residual value of all of the cards that you didn't sell, which would require some sort of reasonable valuation that would potentially be subject to audit.

Now you'd likely have to allocate (near) zero value for e.g., commons or filler cards like the base set in SPA, so you're left with the "valuable" cards that you're more likely to be keeping. So not sure you could claim a loss in our example, I don't think, if you sold two cards for $800 but kept a bunch of other cards that were worth $500 (as you'd have a paper gain of $300). Complicating matters is that prices move frequently...

But you'd need to track all of it so you have a sense of what your cost basis is in the cards you've sold as compared to the cards you're retaining for sale later (or for keeping in your PC).

No matter what you do, your basis will not increase for any of the cards from the sealed case beyond the original case purchase price of $1000, ignoring the cost/value of all of the deductions that have been specified above.

I'm sure there are "market" or "reasonable basis" approaches that are taken for people who face these issues regularly, particularly where the value of what you're opening is unknown and can only be ascertained from the sealed product purchase price (which as we all know sometimes has no bearing on the value of the opened product, for better or worse).

In case it's helpful, I'm almost certain than under US rules, gambling gains can be offset by gambling losses. Not saying that opening cases is gambling per se but that may be a useful proxy for coming to a reasonable position by figuring out the value of the cards that are kept (i.e., unsold) as compared to those that are sold, all in relation to the cost basis of the case as a whole.

Fred Bear's caveat is 100% the right one though - don't rely on a message board for tax advice. EVER! Speak to your accountant. :)
 
Might be different in the US but in Canada, you will indeed pay tax. Your remaining inventory value matters. If you buy a case for $1000, sell 2 cards for $800 and you have hundreds of cards remaining (valued at well over $200), then you've made a profit. I've been doing this for decades. It would be way too easy to just buy more inventory in December to avoid paying income tax every year.


It may be different in the US, then.

If I understand my accountant correctly, US businesses only pay taxes on actual profits, not the potential value of the business (i.e. inventory). You can certainly choose to 'reinvest' in your business in December to grow for the next year. As suitman pointed out, you only get to capture your costs 1 time, though. As an example...

Year 1 - buy 10 cards for $1000, sell 5 cards $1500, buy 5 more cards for $500

Year 2 - sell 10 cards for $2500

Year 1 - $0 profit, $0 taxes paid
Year 2 - $2500 profit, x% paid in taxes

In the US, I would not pay taxes on the 10 cards I owned at the end of Year 1.
 

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