Tag grading submission kit

We have strategies for both volume submissions and Canada/US business that alleviate Katoy’s above concerns.

The fact that Katoy is surprised, is proper because he has no inside info into our strategies, due diligence, planning and execution and his assumptions are either false or incomplete.

Everything TAG does is meticulously researched and planned.

I think many people will be pleasantly surprised.

There are a lot of talented and passionate people involved so I would not be surprised if volume isn't an issue.

I'm more skeptical of the logistics side though. No matter how good and thought out a plan is when dealing with international shipments you can do everything right but are at the mercy of the customs agent that decides to pick that particular shipment. Unpredictable is how the results typically go. For the small amount of business Canada will bring I think it will cause more of a headache in the long run.

I'm a big believer if the tech and the idea. There are a lot of passionate people involved. Peloton had the tech also and passion as well but they failed because they simply underestimated how hard the logistic aspect is. Even Amazon took about 15 years to fully understand all the challenges that logistics cause. There is a reason why Fanatics runs almost everything to do with sports. They understand logistics better than anyone. I'm just talking domestic and ignoring International all together. If TAG can master that then they could easily have a 9 figure valuation in a few years.
 
In the near future, Canadian customer’s cards will not need to go through customs. We have a pretty cool workaround that should be ready at some point next year. In the meantime, we will operate like all other grading companies do with their Canadian customers but the evolution is coming.

Katoy, it seems like you haven’t watched or listened to the episodes I did with TAG. I request you do so you can make the most educated posts possible with respect to TAG. There’s so much there I think you’ll be pleased.
 
In the near future, Canadian customer’s cards will not need to go through customs. We have a pretty cool workaround that should be ready at some point next year. In the meantime, we will operate like all other grading companies do with their Canadian customers but the evolution is coming.

Katoy, it seems like you haven’t watched or listened to the episodes I did with TAG. I request you do so you can make the most educated posts possible with respect to TAG. There’s so much there I think you’ll be pleased.

Great news. I never graded cards because of the customs factor with BGS/PSA, and most canadian grading companies are less prestigious.

I wish you the best with your project, and I'll have to start looking in my boxes for cards with grading potential.
 
I don't really see the point of setting up in Canada if I were them. The population of Canada is contained in California alone so it just isn't a big enough market for this sort of thing. Canadians who want to use it will anyways so setting up in Canada would be an awful business decision for maybe capturing a few thousand extra orders which is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I'm surprised they even opened up to serving Canada at all with the logistics, customs and costs hurdles. It's probably more of a drain on their resources as it is.

The sad thing about the industry of cards is that there are always people doing shady things to make a buck. How this company is able to handle controversy will be huge. Especially since they are so new. They have a very impressive board though.

The point of grading is for the secondary market. They have a miniscule market share so most who see a TAG slab on ebay will likely discount the value because of it even if it has a higher grade than a PSA card. The key for them will be to grow as fast as they can even if they have to burn cash to do so. 5% of the US market is a lot more valuable than 30% of the Canadian market.

Oh man, I'm not sure you understand markets and businesses with scope at all.

If a business can find profit in a market, they can expand into that market, especially when they don't need to create the market.

We will be in Canada one way or another. It is a very important market for us.
 
Folks, i am definitely a fan and a believer in TAGs tech and capabilities. I watched all of the videos, most live and asked some questions. If i thought there was a way to invest in the company realistically, I would do that as well.

That said, this was really more of an opportunity to showcase my experience and the thoughts of others on the product/service. Im not worried about there Canadian expansion. The setup is already soooooooooooo much more convenient from my experience as a user than other TPGs. (Although I would be even happier to have an in Canada option!)

So far I am

Excited about the technology breakthrough, I though this was impossible (especially after one of Jeremy's previous guests spent a fair amount of money investigating potential)
Happy with the price point
Happy with the communication
Happy with the response and policy change to my insurance question
Happy with the speed of acknowledgment of receipt of goods (same day)


More to come i hope

Pacman
 
Oh man, I'm not sure you understand markets and businesses with scope at all.

If a business can find profit in a market, they can expand into that market, especially when they don't need to create the market.

I understand it. Maybe too well. TAG won't be successful because they capture a greater share of the Canadian market.

TAG will be successful if their graded cards outsell those of their competitors on the secondary market.

What market does the Canadian market primarily cater to in terms of sports card collecting? Hockey. What sport is the least cared about in the secondary market in collectables in the US? Hockey. So if a bunch of hockey cards with TAG slabs outsell PSA then that's not going to move the needle for them if PSA still owns the baseball, football and basketball secondary market because those cards dwarf the price of hockey cards. Justin Herbert has been in the league for less than 3 years and already has a million dollar card on the secondary market. I only did a quick google search and the top McDavid card that I could find was less than 150K. Also logistics doesn't just end with TAG. How many people will refuse to buy a card because it's located outside their country?

People are going to grade their cards with the company that gives them the best resale value regardless of technology. All the tech and bells and whistles are amazing but they don't mean anything if a TAG card sells for 30% below what a comparable PSA card would.

TAG could own 100% of the Canadian market and it won't mean anything. TAG is not structured the way someone like KSA is. Where if you can slab X amount of cards you can make a profit in grading. They need to become the dominant player in grading and have their cards get a premium on the secondary market in the categories that matter in the US. Which is baseball, basketball, football and gaming. And they have to be fast at it because I'm sure competitors have their toes dipped in the water. If PSA dropped some kind of technology based grading at the end of the year then TAG would be irrelevant.

The way the board of TAG is structured I can't see a way that it's ownership isn't different in 5 years time. It either gets sold at a premium because it's the market leader or it gets liquidated to a competitor for the technology and gets rebranded because competitors replicated a similar form of grading before TAG could capture enough meaningful market share. How do you get to where you need to get to the fastest? You make yourself as efficient and streamlined as possible and laser like focused. Amazon wasn't a global company when it started. It was a US bookstore marketplace. Could they have made more money servicing the World globally from the start? They would have made more revenue but it would of greatly slowed down their growth in the much more important US market. Most companies will establish a footing in a core marketplace before adding on headaches from international markets. It does concern me that TAG thinks the Canadian market is important this early. It's not in my opinion and it's basically a pimple on the butt of America (business wise only speaking) I would feel a lot better about their success if they focused exclusively on the US market and put 100% of their resources there. Time will tell.

The grading market already exists and PSA gets 100k cards a day. TAG is at a huge disadvantage because they aren't creating a new category, they are trying to revolutionize an existing one. Failing to move fast enough and efficient enough they will just become a laser disc because a competitor comes out with a comparable technology with a brand name the market already prefers. At the end of the day the secondary market will speak and we can see what TAG graded cards are selling for a year from now compared to equal PSA ones. I'm pulling for them though.
 
Katoy, you clearly lack vision and you are projecting your approach upon the overall hobby. You think you have insight, but you don’t. Please stop claiming to understand our business, our fundamentals. Also, please understand that TAG is my living now. It’s how I plan to support my family. So if you are going to come onto my website and cast shade on my and my partners’ endeavors , I’m going to rid me of your negative energy. Really as simple as that. You continue to spew ignorance while thinking you know more than you do. I’m glad you are pulling for us, but if you truly are, focus on the positives, and we’ll be cool.
 
I understand it. Maybe too well. TAG won't be successful because they capture a greater share of the Canadian market.

TAG will be successful if their graded cards outsell those of their competitors on the secondary market.

What market does the Canadian market primarily cater to in terms of sports card collecting? Hockey. What sport is the least cared about in the secondary market in collectables in the US? Hockey. So if a bunch of hockey cards with TAG slabs outsell PSA then that's not going to move the needle for them if PSA still owns the baseball, football and basketball secondary market because those cards dwarf the price of hockey cards. Justin Herbert has been in the league for less than 3 years and already has a million dollar card on the secondary market. I only did a quick google search and the top McDavid card that I could find was less than 150K. Also logistics doesn't just end with TAG. How many people will refuse to buy a card because it's located outside their country?

People are going to grade their cards with the company that gives them the best resale value regardless of technology. All the tech and bells and whistles are amazing but they don't mean anything if a TAG card sells for 30% below what a comparable PSA card would.

TAG could own 100% of the Canadian market and it won't mean anything. TAG is not structured the way someone like KSA is. Where if you can slab X amount of cards you can make a profit in grading. They need to become the dominant player in grading and have their cards get a premium on the secondary market in the categories that matter in the US. Which is baseball, basketball, football and gaming. And they have to be fast at it because I'm sure competitors have their toes dipped in the water. If PSA dropped some kind of technology based grading at the end of the year then TAG would be irrelevant.

The way the board of TAG is structured I can't see a way that it's ownership isn't different in 5 years time. It either gets sold at a premium because it's the market leader or it gets liquidated to a competitor for the technology and gets rebranded because competitors replicated a similar form of grading before TAG could capture enough meaningful market share. How do you get to where you need to get to the fastest? You make yourself as efficient and streamlined as possible and laser like focused. Amazon wasn't a global company when it started. It was a US bookstore marketplace. Could they have made more money servicing the World globally from the start? They would have made more revenue but it would of greatly slowed down their growth in the much more important US market. Most companies will establish a footing in a core marketplace before adding on headaches from international markets. It does concern me that TAG thinks the Canadian market is important this early. It's not in my opinion and it's basically a pimple on the butt of America (business wise only speaking) I would feel a lot better about their success if they focused exclusively on the US market and put 100% of their resources there. Time will tell.

The grading market already exists and PSA gets 100k cards a day. TAG is at a huge disadvantage because they aren't creating a new category, they are trying to revolutionize an existing one. Failing to move fast enough and efficient enough they will just become a laser disc because a competitor comes out with a comparable technology with a brand name the market already prefers. At the end of the day the secondary market will speak and we can see what TAG graded cards are selling for a year from now compared to equal PSA ones. I'm pulling for them though.


You sir …have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your ongoing, without merit rant about nothing, bored the living hell out of me…to be perfectly honest.

If you want to bash a company that you have no idea about, I suggest you listen to the many online informational YT broadcasts from our own leader here at SCL. Perhaps then you will understand the science that is a decade in the making.
 
Guys I’m hoping we can move this thread back to a happier place. Your killing my excitement on what I truly believe is a disruptor company coming into our hobby that I want to be a part of. I appreciate the business speculation, but please keepthat piece out of this discussion.

I don’t want my thread shut down and I think there are some folks that care to see the product when it is returned


Thank you,

Pacman
 
Guys I’m hoping we can move this thread back to a happier place. Your killing my excitement on what I truly believe is a disruptor company coming into our hobby that I want to be a part of. I appreciate the business speculation, but please keep that piece out of this discussion.

I don’t want my thread shut down and I think there are some folks that care to see the product when it is returned

Thank you,

Pacman

Good Luck on the grading of your cards. Cannot wait to see your the grades of your cards. Hopefully I will see TAG at the Expo. It is about time a company is using technology.
 
Excited to see more of this. I've been following the development and introduction so far on Youtube, Sports Cards Live and I'm convinced this is the future.
I'm not sending cards for grading often but the next time I have some pc cards that deserves a slab, it's a no brainer where to ship them.
 
My submission has not changed, still in verification, but I did get an answer to the question when will you be grading pack pulled auto cards

Per the Tag team

“ TAG will be accepting cards with manufacturer-certified autographs by the end of 2022, and will be making more announcements in the coming weeks.”

That’s a great Xmas gift, ��

Pacman
 
No change, but not expected. I find I’m refreshing the portal a few times a day……I can’t even imagine the folks that had items out at psa for a year or more. Would have driven me bananas.

Pacman
 
Hey randomly came across this post.

Long time member but here only on and off over the years.

I just wanted to say I went to their booth when they were local here in Burbank for the last card show. Think it was September.

I was really impressed by the tech they are using.

Very personal and high quality. Especially like the Imaging and detailed grading reports. Its very simplified and with an abundance of information. You will know with proof exactly why a card was graded a specific way.

They are in my area and have thought about getting some cards done myself. I personally havent had cards graded for years. But I have heard horror stories of long returns and assorted issues, between the classic grading companies.

Tag seems to be pretty cost effective, speedy and professional.

The main gentleman I talked to was a higher up at their booth and if I recall was originally a PSA grader for like 10+ years.

They are really trying to take the negative experiences / aspects they can improve on from other graders and turn it into a strength for their company.

Personally I dont have any really quality cards to get graded. I am more of a player collector. But as they are local and countless other positives I have been thinking of getting some of my PC graded.



I know this reply is random..lol. I just really enjoyed talking to them and the professionalism. Also they didnt judge me for wanting low retail valued cards graded..lol
 
Dohboi, missed this earlier, but i appreciate the reply. I suspect it will take a while for TAG to gain traction with collectors, just not enough out there yet. Need them to do well in the comparable marketplace but i do love the tech and the service.


That said i just asked how my order as doing and received this note back about 20 min afterwards

Your order is on deck for slabbing today, after which the slabs will be inspected, imaged and shipped. Your order has an expected shipping date of tomorrow, 11/23.


i will probably not stop pressing the refresh button on my page to see if grades etc are up. Again the point of this from my perspective is to see where they find fault and if that lines up with my expectations, especially since i will be able to see where they have identified the issues.


fun fun fun

Pacman
 

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