The Edmonton Oilers???? Crash and burn??

It's funny seeing this become a reason to defend a player now. No, it's because he's a first overall pick whose career high in points is lower than the most recent first overall pick's points this season (Ekblad, a defenceman)

So why is Yak the center of attention in this? Why isn't Hall or RNH being called out for not taking the team to the SCF already? Weren't they top picks who haven't produced a playoff run yet? No, it's Yak who is a complete failure and the worst pick ever. Just seems like a double standard to me, and pretty common these days.
 
I don't know if I would go and say he's a complete failure, but he was a bit overhyped. But also, that draft wasn't the strongest either so the expectations of going 1st overall compared to other years set the bar too high. It was also a dman strong draft.

Galchenyuk and Forsberg are the other comparable forwards. I was surprised where Forsberg got drafted and was a total steal. Then the Caps trade him off for an Erat rental, but that's for another thread.

Girgensons is a different type of player. Teravainen is just getting his cup of coffee now. Still a lot of questions around Grigorenko. Faksa looks like a bust. Tom Wilson was the next highest drafted RW.

However, what didn't make sense was to take Moroz (LW) in the 2nd round, then Kharia (c) in the 3rd, when Finn and Pokka were still available in the 2nd, Gostibehere in the 3rd too. Severson was just drafted a few spots ahead in the late 2nd. Trade up?

There are big problems with the scouting staff and player development strategies.
 
I agree with Tony on this.

You can blame Yakupov all you want but it makes no sense. He was drafted first overall in 2012 (which by the way, if Edmonton had drafted him 5th overall means no one would be talking about this at all) so he's only 21 and has (almost) three seasons under his belt. Certainly he hasn't moved mountains but how in the heck was he going to.

You want to blame something - blame the Oilers and their front office.

Have a look through this list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Edmonton_Oilers_draft_picks

Now see how far it take you to get to an impact player that wasn't a first round pick. Then try to count how many average or just bad first round picks they have had.

Lets go back 15 years and parse this out.

2001 - Round 1 Pick 13 Ales Hemsky. The rest is awful.
2002 - 1-15 Jesse Niinimaki. 2nd Round - Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene (who they traded for Lubomir Visnovsky)
2003 - They got Kyle Brodziak in the 7th round...well done.
2004 - Devan Dubnyk and Robbie Schremp in the first. Awful everywhere else (OK the first wasn't good either).
2005 - Andrew Cogliano at the 25th pick
2006 - no first rounder but Jeff Petry in the second - hey, at least he can make an NHL roster.
2007 - Three first rounders. Sam Gagner (6), Alex Plante (15) and Riley Nash (21). It didn't get better in later rounds.
2008 - Eberle 22nd
2009 - Paajarvi 10th
2010 - Hall 1st
2011 - RNH 1st and Oscar Klefbom 19th
2012 - Yakupov 1st
2013 - Nurse 7th
2014 - Draisaitl 3rd

That's it. I didn't leave out solid third or fourth rounders they picked up in the 5th, decent third pairing dmen they got in the third or even a playable backup goalie.

People can say they should be where the Blackhawks are after their couple of high picks but over the course of that same time the Hawks have also drafted Craig Anderson, Duncan Keith, Dustin Byfuglien, Nick Hjalmerson, Jamis Wisniewski, Adam Burish, Corey Crawford, Dave Bolland, Brian Bickell, Troy Brower, Ben Smith, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening and Brandon Saad in the second round or later. They also wiffed on guys like Cam Barker and Jack Skille in the first but you can do that when you pick up depth later on.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Edmonton is the worst drafting/development team in the NHL. If there is someone with a worse track record, I would love to see it.
 
Trade Yak to the Habs, there is a centre there who helped make him look good. He is still a kid and will mature into a good player, not sure it will be with the Oilers though.
 
I don't think it's a stretch to say that Edmonton is the worst drafting/development team in the NHL. If there is someone with a worse track record, I would love to see it.

Take a look at the Leafs from 1998 to 2010. It's painful. Even the few players who actually have had an NHL career... had the overwhelming majority of their games on teams NOT the Leafs.

As for the discussion on Yakupov. I'm really thinking the 'he is a failure talk' concerns more than just his numbers (which aren't as good as Hall, Eberle, RNH). Unfortunately, he followed those three as the final part of the puzzle, when he really shouldn't have. Another thing about him; he's just not likable for some reason. He rubs people the wrong way. Things like reacting like he just scored the Stanley Cup winning goal when he gets Edmonton's second goal that makes the score 7-2 for the other team. Or watching him lazily do a stick sweep on a check. People see stuff like that and get a bit turned off. Just a thought.
 
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So why is Yak the center of attention in this? Why isn't Hall or RNH being called out for not taking the team to the SCF already? Weren't they top picks who haven't produced a playoff run yet? No, it's Yak who is a complete failure and the worst pick ever. Just seems like a double standard to me, and pretty common these days.

For one thing, I don't think anyone is placing all the blame (or even a majority of the blame) for the lack of team success on Yakupov. I personally haven't seen anyone saying that Yakupov was supposed to lead them to the playoffs; it's been widely acknowledged that the Oilers made a mistake in picking another forward.

Taylor Hall has looked like a legitimate superstar at times (80 points last year on an awful team, aka John Tavares territory). RNH was brought to the NHL way too quickly and was pretty fragile at the start of his career, but has scored 50+ points in each of his seasons, other than the lockout-shortened year.

Yakupov has maxed out at 31 points and, while +/- is not always the most telling stat, he is a mindboggling -72 in 189 career games (RNH is -23 and Hall is -24, both with many more games played). The Oilers posted negative goal differentials of 76 in 10-11 and 27 in 11-12, giving both RNH and Hall plenty more opportunities than Yakupov to have a more negative rating.

I won't deny that the Oilers and their management are garbage, but Yakupov has not played anywhere near what you'd expect out of a #1 pick. (statistically speaking, even Erik Johnson was better at this point in his career) And if you could please point out to me how anything I just posted has anything to do with his nationality, I'm all ears.
 
The problem with the Oilers is that the team is run by a bunch of fools. I don't understand how anyone can be so successful in business (Katz) but run a business (the Oilers) the way he has. Kevin Lowe should have been fired 5+ years ago. Craig MacTavish should never have been rehired. The results they've put up, it's shameful (MacT will tell you he wasn't around for many of those years, which is true, but the Lowe-led team has basically been an old boys club for the better part of 15 years).

Katz is running a team where he gets to hang around with guys that will tell him stories of the 80s. Kowe gets to be his right hand man, in charge of two things: Telling those stories, and hiring his buddies. Accountability like that makes for an awful organization.

I like the high picks they've made (Yak, Hall, Hopkins) and they've taken guys with other higher picks (Drisaitle, Nurse, Klefboom) that look like they'll turn into decent players... and (of course) Eberle is the other one I didn't mention, he was drafted in the late first round, but clearly he's a decent player.

Too many of the same player? I agree. Raise your hand if you think the Oilers would be better this year with Ryan Murray instead of Nail Yakupov? Keep it up if you think that'd be the case next year. Not a chance they'd be better, because it wouldn't do anything to address their core problems. Too many of the same player is fine..... draft the best player available, and then deal from a position of depth to fill your other holes.


The biggest mistakes, IMO, have happened since all those #1 picks were made. MacTavish - while he's made a couple of decent deals - has absolutely stunted whatever chance at growth this team had, and his decisions (IMO) have actually done the opposite: Regression in most of their players games.

In the summer of 2013, that's when the Oilers needed to trade away one of their pieces for help elsewhere. Of course I can't know what deals were on the table (or not on it) but I get the sense that they would not trade one of their young forwards, out of fear that they'd be taken to the cleaners (he turns into an allstar elsewhere). Summer of 2013 I was hoping to see Jordan Eberle moved for a top pairing defenceman (no, not a "true #1" Shea Weber type - that's not going to happen - but a guy that can play 26 minutes a night, and the rest of the league isn't laughing about it). I say Eberle because I firmly believe that he has (by far) the lowest ceiling of their big four.

I say 2013 because the Oilers still had some depth. With Gagner, Hemsky, and Horcoff - trading Eberle would not have created a giant hole like he would now. They were coming off a season where they were competitive for a playoff spot through 3/4s of the season (then tailed off at the end, and yes - it was a shortened season... but being in a playoff race 3/4s of the way through is still a small miracle for this team).

The Summer of 2013 is also when the decision was made that (IMO) has cost this group of a players any chance they'll have to compete for a cup. No.... I'm not writing off this group as potential superstar players (sure, it could still happen) but it's not going to happen together in Edmonton. UFA years for these guys start kicking in 4 years from now. Eberle is up first, then Hall, then Hopkins. Unless there is a massive turnaround in the next two seasons (which I don't believe will be the case) then why would Eberle resign? Why would Hall? Hopkins (6 years) is still a long way out, but if the others start leaving... and the wheels are still spinning.... why wouldn't he go too?

What was the decision? Dallas Eakins. In all of my years watching hockey, I don't believe I've ever seen a coach that I loathed more. Weather it was stupid PR stunts like removing donuts from the media room (and replacing them with vegetables) or idiot "I know how to run a hockey team better" calls like removing a ping pong table from the locker room (as if either of these things is going to have an effect on anything, other than annoying those affected) he showed over and over again that he was in over his head.

I big commitment to fitness (great idea) and brutal schemes on the ice. Those were his two big contributions to the team. Lookup "Dallas Eakins swarm defense" as an example of a system he put in place.... that nobody should be able to look at without starting to laugh.

Every single player on the Oilers got worse under Eakins. Since the coaching change the team has played better, but the development of these players has been setback so much.... I don't think this "core" will ever be able to recover.


Build up the middle. Defense, Goalies, Centers. Others have already pointed this out. It's so obvious, but the Oilers Management can't figure it out.

"They've had brutal goaltending." Craig MacTavish would agree with that, but I betcha the Minnesota Wild (and Devan Dubnyk) wouldn't. No... Dubnyk is probably not really as good as he's looked in Minny this year (or Arizona before) but he was never as bad he looked in Edmonton. Oilers couldn't wait to run him out of town though.... he made a great scapegoat for Eakins.

Scrivens? Fasth? I'm ready for them to both be run out of town (I had a bit of optimism for Dubnyk a few years back.... these two I do not) and while I don't think they'll ever turn into "top 20" goalies in the NHL, I also don't think with a real NHL defense in front of them they'd be this bad.

The defense, and the Oilers refusal to do anything about it, has been their biggest problem. Of course in true Oilers style.... they toss a bunch of money at Nikka Nikiten last summer, and then don't extend their best defenseman (Jeff Petry) so they move him out at the deadline for a bunch of magic beans..... because that's how you improve the group. Anyone think they're going to be bring in someone as talented as Dion Phaneuf this summer?? I sure don't.


If defense isn't the biggest problem, Centres are. With all due respect to RNH.... he should never have been gifted the #1 slot at the age of 19. When the #2 guy behind you is Sam Gagner (not exactly a big man either) there is no size anywhere. This team has been getting manhandled for years. A big, strong, veteran center... capable of a 50 point season.... is that so much to ask? For the life of me, I can't figure out why that kind of player has not been targeted by this team.





Anyway, I'll stop now. Already ranted enough. How about Pittsburgh misses the playoffs, and wins the lotto?? Oilers hold their pick, so that would give them two in the top 5. Inject those two into the lineup right away, and instant winner :)


(Truthfully, I think this is the one organization that might be able to screw up Connor MacDavid)
 
The problem with the Oilers is that the team is run by a bunch of fools. I don't understand how anyone can be so successful in business (Katz) but run a business (the Oilers) the way he has. Kevin Lowe should have been fired 5+ years ago. Craig MacTavish should never have been rehired. The results they've put up, it's shameful (MacT will tell you he wasn't around for many of those years, which is true, but the Lowe-led team has basically been an old boys club for the better part of 15 years).

Katz is running a team where he gets to hang around with guys that will tell him stories of the 80s. Kowe gets to be his right hand man, in charge of two things: Telling those stories, and hiring his buddies. Accountability like that makes for an awful organization.

I like the high picks they've made (Yak, Hall, Hopkins) and they've taken guys with other higher picks (Drisaitle, Nurse, Klefboom) that look like they'll turn into decent players... and (of course) Eberle is the other one I didn't mention, he was drafted in the late first round, but clearly he's a decent player.

Too many of the same player? I agree. Raise your hand if you think the Oilers would be better this year with Ryan Murray instead of Nail Yakupov? Keep it up if you think that'd be the case next year. Not a chance they'd be better, because it wouldn't do anything to address their core problems. Too many of the same player is fine..... draft the best player available, and then deal from a position of depth to fill your other holes.


The biggest mistakes, IMO, have happened since all those #1 picks were made. MacTavish - while he's made a couple of decent deals - has absolutely stunted whatever chance at growth this team had, and his decisions (IMO) have actually done the opposite: Regression in most of their players games.

In the summer of 2013, that's when the Oilers needed to trade away one of their pieces for help elsewhere. Of course I can't know what deals were on the table (or not on it) but I get the sense that they would not trade one of their young forwards, out of fear that they'd be taken to the cleaners (he turns into an allstar elsewhere). Summer of 2013 I was hoping to see Jordan Eberle moved for a top pairing defenceman (no, not a "true #1" Shea Weber type - that's not going to happen - but a guy that can play 26 minutes a night, and the rest of the league isn't laughing about it). I say Eberle because I firmly believe that he has (by far) the lowest ceiling of their big four.

I say 2013 because the Oilers still had some depth. With Gagner, Hemsky, and Horcoff - trading Eberle would not have created a giant hole like he would now. They were coming off a season where they were competitive for a playoff spot through 3/4s of the season (then tailed off at the end, and yes - it was a shortened season... but being in a playoff race 3/4s of the way through is still a small miracle for this team).

The Summer of 2013 is also when the decision was made that (IMO) has cost this group of a players any chance they'll have to compete for a cup. No.... I'm not writing off this group as potential superstar players (sure, it could still happen) but it's not going to happen together in Edmonton. UFA years for these guys start kicking in 4 years from now. Eberle is up first, then Hall, then Hopkins. Unless there is a massive turnaround in the next two seasons (which I don't believe will be the case) then why would Eberle resign? Why would Hall? Hopkins (6 years) is still a long way out, but if the others start leaving... and the wheels are still spinning.... why wouldn't he go too?

What was the decision? Dallas Eakins. In all of my years watching hockey, I don't believe I've ever seen a coach that I loathed more. Weather it was stupid PR stunts like removing donuts from the media room (and replacing them with vegetables) or idiot "I know how to run a hockey team better" calls like removing a ping pong table from the locker room (as if either of these things is going to have an effect on anything, other than annoying those affected) he showed over and over again that he was in over his head.

I big commitment to fitness (great idea) and brutal schemes on the ice. Those were his two big contributions to the team. Lookup "Dallas Eakins swarm defense" as an example of a system he put in place.... that nobody should be able to look at without starting to laugh.

Every single player on the Oilers got worse under Eakins. Since the coaching change the team has played better, but the development of these players has been setback so much.... I don't think this "core" will ever be able to recover.


Build up the middle. Defense, Goalies, Centers. Others have already pointed this out. It's so obvious, but the Oilers Management can't figure it out.

"They've had brutal goaltending." Craig MacTavish would agree with that, but I betcha the Minnesota Wild (and Devan Dubnyk) wouldn't. No... Dubnyk is probably not really as good as he's looked in Minny this year (or Arizona before) but he was never as bad he looked in Edmonton. Oilers couldn't wait to run him out of town though.... he made a great scapegoat for Eakins.

Scrivens? Fasth? I'm ready for them to both be run out of town (I had a bit of optimism for Dubnyk a few years back.... these two I do not) and while I don't think they'll ever turn into "top 20" goalies in the NHL, I also don't think with a real NHL defense in front of them they'd be this bad.

The defense, and the Oilers refusal to do anything about it, has been their biggest problem. Of course in true Oilers style.... they toss a bunch of money at Nikka Nikiten last summer, and then don't extend their best defenseman (Jeff Petry) so they move him out at the deadline for a bunch of magic beans..... because that's how you improve the group. Anyone think they're going to be bring in someone as talented as Dion Phaneuf this summer?? I sure don't.


If defense isn't the biggest problem, Centres are. With all due respect to RNH.... he should never have been gifted the #1 slot at the age of 19. When the #2 guy behind you is Sam Gagner (not exactly a big man either) there is no size anywhere. This team has been getting manhandled for years. A big, strong, veteran center... capable of a 50 point season.... is that so much to ask? For the life of me, I can't figure out why that kind of player has not been targeted by this team.





Anyway, I'll stop now. Already ranted enough. How about Pittsburgh misses the playoffs, and wins the lotto?? Oilers hold their pick, so that would give them two in the top 5. Inject those two into the lineup right away, and instant winner :)


(Truthfully, I think this is the one organization that might be able to screw up Connor MacDavid)

When you need a real reply look to a hardcore, longtime fan. Greta response Sean.

The one thing you said in there that stuck out to me is draft the BEST player possible and then deal from a position of depth. Regardless of what any of us think of Yakupov, you hinted right there what could/should be done.

I would take that guy as a big asset and deal him somewhere to get other pieces I needed. In hindsight, heck yeah I would have taken Ryan Murray in that draft but I admittedly bought into the Nail hype at the time as well, so much so I thought he might top Hall or RNH as the best of the # 1 picks.

Oil have a long way to go still but damn, they have some really good pieces. They just have some really big holes to fill as well. It will be fun to see them get back to the playoffs with all these great young players.
 
So many problems here, where to begin...

The teams defense flat out stinks. Ryan Murray would not have helped in the least. Since the lockout they drafter a crapload of forwards (with varying results), and a grand total of 2 NHL caliber defensemen - one of whom they unloaded at the trade deadline.

Devan Dubnyk was the last goalie to win 20 games as an Oiler (winning exactly 20 games 3 years ago).
 
IMO, out of all the messed up stuff, Lowe and MacT are the biggest problems.

I think the beginning of the end was the Ryan Smyth contract dispute over $100k. Face of the franchise, loyal, leader, hard-working, etc. Everything you want in a player, mentor, pro, and captain.

This was further amplified when MacT took over the reigns as GM and promptly said Hemsky and Horcoff (the vets who were loyal to the team), were going to be traded.

Then there is the "development" of skilled players. Basically trying to turn skilled players that they drafted, who did well in the AHL, and turn them into 2 way shot blocking players. The development of players in ALL positions have been nothing short of abysmal.

In addition to the bad drafting, poor player development, it doesn't help when almost every trade they have made, they've been on the losing end. Even if they were on the winning end, it would be short lived b/c the assets would be moved in another trade in which they would lose, or the player would leave.

Recently, the big head scratcher was trading Gagner their #2C away for Purcell. Strength down the middle, a decent playmaking vet centre to play with Yakupov, and Arcobello as the replacement?? (just b/c he had a decent half season?? The dude is 5'8"). 19 yr old Draisaitl??

The Oilers take advantage of the cap issues with St. Louis, and land Perron for Paajarvi and a 2nd r (Barbashev at #33), who gets traded now for a 1st (Oilers rooting for Boston, Detroit and Ottawa big time).

This could work out for the Oilers, but that's b/c the Pens are riddled with injuries. At the time, many expect the Pens to be a final 8 or 4 team. So that pick was assumed to range from 23 to 30.

So a top 10 pick basically turns into trading up from 33 to 23 at best.

If the hockey gods have any mercy, the Pens would miss the playoffs, and with the long shot 1st round, win the lottery, then the Oilers will have 2 of the top 4 picks this draft.

Then we can sit back and watch Lowe and MacT mess it all up again. :p
 
IMO, out of all the messed up stuff, Lowe and MacT are the biggest problems.

I think the beginning of the end was the Ryan Smyth contract dispute over $100k. Face of the franchise, loyal, leader, hard-working, etc. Everything you want in a player, mentor, pro, and captain.

This was further amplified when MacT took over the reigns as GM and promptly said Hemsky and Horcoff (the vets who were loyal to the team), were going to be traded.

Then there is the "development" of skilled players. Basically trying to turn skilled players that they drafted, who did well in the AHL, and turn them into 2 way shot blocking players. The development of players in ALL positions have been nothing short of abysmal.

In addition to the bad drafting, poor player development, it doesn't help when almost every trade they have made, they've been on the losing end. Even if they were on the winning end, it would be short lived b/c the assets would be moved in another trade in which they would lose, or the player would leave.

Recently, the big head scratcher was trading Gagner their #2C away for Purcell. Strength down the middle, a decent playmaking vet centre to play with Yakupov, and Arcobello as the replacement?? (just b/c he had a decent half season?? The dude is 5'8"). 19 yr old Draisaitl??

The Oilers take advantage of the cap issues with St. Louis, and land Perron for Paajarvi and a 2nd r (Barbashev at #33), who gets traded now for a 1st (Oilers rooting for Boston, Detroit and Ottawa big time).

This could work out for the Oilers, but that's b/c the Pens are riddled with injuries. At the time, many expect the Pens to be a final 8 or 4 team. So that pick was assumed to range from 23 to 30.

So a top 10 pick basically turns into trading up from 33 to 23 at best.

If the hockey gods have any mercy, the Pens would miss the playoffs, and with the long shot 1st round, win the lottery, then the Oilers will have 2 of the top 4 picks this draft.

Then we can sit back and watch Lowe and MacT mess it all up again. :p

Agree very much with what was said here. The worst part of it all is how MacTavish seems to go about his business: Decide what players need to go, and then tell the world. Do everything you can to devalue your assets before moving them out of town. Make sure the other 29 GMs know you want to move him, basically HAVE to move him. Did it with Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagner, Petry, and probably someone else that I've forgotten.

And don't get me started on the deeply flawed notion that everyone needs to be a strong two-way player. I had seen Yak play in Junior (a bit) and as a 17 year old.... he certainly didn't have any interest in back checking. I'm not suggesting that's how you should play at the NHL level, but he wasn't drafted for his prowess in his own end... that much I can be certain of.

So instead of feeding him powerplay time, and soft 5-on-5 minutes... you know... to let the 19 year old kid (who was YOUR LEADING GOAL SCORER, AS A ROOKIE, THE YEAR BEFORE) do what he does well, while insulting the team from what he doesn't.... new coach benches him and wants him to become a better plugger, before he'll give him PP time & linemates that are halfway decent.


It's what drives me nuts listening to Leaf fans.... Kessel is the problem because he doesn't go into the corners and dig out pucks. The problem is that Leaf management has failed to pair him with a winger that can go into the corners and dig out pucks.... when you've got the hands of players like Kessel or Yakupov, teams need to find the right complimentary peices - NOT reinvent those players.

Forget draft history, look at their trade history. Horrid.


During the post 2006 Cup run era..... I don't want to differentiate between rebuild 1 or rebuild 2.... I'm honestly not sure what's been worse: Trades, Free Agent Signings, or Drafting. That they plucked Eberle with the 22nd (or was it 21st??) overall, that was a great move. Outside of the first round though.... they've done almost nothing. Drafting, in general, has been a black hole for this team since about 1984.

Trades? The Perron for MPS (when it happened) actually tricked me into thinking (briefly) that MacT knew what he was doing. GREAT move. In general though.... it's drive down the value of your own players, to give them away later.

FA Signings have also been pretty pathetic. For every half decent one (Fayne) you get awful contracts like Nikitin too.
 
Trades? The Perron for MPS (when it happened) actually tricked me into thinking (briefly) that MacT knew what he was doing. GREAT move. In general though.... it's drive down the value of your own players, to give them away later.

Funny ... when I was reading through the trade history that's exactly what I thought. HEY! They got Perron for Paajarvi and a draft pick? Not bad! :beer:

But then again a few years ago Paajarvi was very highly regarded and would have fetched *much* more so his value had decreased somewhat. And then they gave up Perron to Pittsburg for Klinkhammer (dime a dozen kind of player on his third team this season) and a first rounder. So in the end they merely upgraded on the pick they gave up to get Perron, which is FANTASTIC ... but now they have to actually draft and develop a player with their mid first round pick from the Penguins and ... well ... :corn:. And wasn't that exactly what Paajarvi was 5 years ago? A mid-first round prospect? So five years have passed and they have made three moves to end up right where they were at the start!

Getting Derek Roy looks like a good trade TODAY ... unless they lose him for nothing to free agency this summer .... :corn::corn::corn:
 
The Derek Roy trade looks good, on its own, but even it was horribly executed:

- Could have had him for nothing on a waiver claim the day before. Paid half price on his salary, and kept Arcobello.

- Could have just addressed the whole "lack of center" thing in the summer, and signed him yourself ($1m is pretty cheap). Granted, he may not have ever been willing to sign in Edmonton... so not signing him specifically is hard to criticize.

I certainly don't care about Arcobello. Okay player, nothing special. Still though... you can keep that okay player if you make a bloody waiver claim.... why not do it???

Getting Derek Roy looks like a good trade TODAY ... unless they lose him for nothing to free agency this summer .... :corn::corn::corn:
 
...and then the Oil go out and beat the Kings 4-2 last night, delivering a near knock out punch to the playoff hopes of the defending Stanley Cup champs...

Hockey gods are fickle. :)

Cory
 
Yup..... and it seals up 28th place, so a gaurentee of either the 3rd or 4th pick (which I assume means Noah Hanifin, or Dylan Strome.... I'd take the D if he's available)

And missing out on two gimme points might seal the Kings fate... though if they go 2-0 to finish the year (vs CAL and SJ) I think they're still okay.

Funny how it works out: Calgary has 2 games left, and vs the two teams they need to beat to clinch a spot.

...and then the Oil go out and beat the Kings 4-2 last night, delivering a near knock out punch to the playoff hopes of the defending Stanley Cup champs...

Hockey gods are fickle. :)

Cory
 
And missing out on two gimme points might seal the Kings fate... though if they go 2-0 to finish the year (vs CAL and SJ) I think they're still okay.

LA has to win out and hope Calgary loses both games in regulation. Flames own the tiebreaker.

If that happens, the Flames are out, after being in 2nd or 3rd in the division for all but (by my calculation) 6 days of the entire season.
 
yep, the oilers looked pretty good last night. Hats off to them for turning it around, they needed to for pride I think. Kings just looked tired. I was watching some of the players from the kings and they just looked gased all game.

But on the other hand, the oilers came out ready to play this game and it showed. Real physical game and just looked like the better team.

again, I think the kings just either thought this would be a cake walk game or were just tired and out of steam.
But big hats off to a 180 from the oilers, respect has been earned.
 
You guys forgot Dallas Eakins had Yakupov on the 3rd line for majority of the season until he got fired? You don't put an offensive guy on a checking line with 3rd line minutes. Anyways, Yakupov is the quickest on the ice especially his moves... and he has excelled under Todd Nelson. Yakupov will be fine.

Taylor Hall, this kid partied too much and don't care on and off the ice. Many stories don't even make it to the media. Hall needs to be traded to change the culture.
 

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