Hobby related UNPOPULAR OPINION(s)?

[eishelges]

I'll start :beer:


- Graded cards are overrated
- Jumbo cards/mini cards are cool
- seeing bedard UD S2 cards in every S&T thread is annoying :|

I open all graded cards…:crazy:

 

[IrbeFan4Life]

Here is one of mine that has recently popped up, it may have been something the people have been going nuts over before, but I never noticed it as egregiously as in the last year or so, and it is very rampant in basketball, football, and baseball cards nowadays. Not as much in hockey...yet. Here it is:

In my opinion, putting a premium on a "color matched" parallel card is probably the dumbest selling point in the history of the hobby. Oh, it is a red parallel of this player's card that is worth $3 in trade...but what's this? They are also wearing a red home jersey? "Color match" because it is red and he is wearing red in the picture so let's ask $20 because it is a color match....wow.

I think it is absolute silliness and much worse than the "eBay 1/1" folks.

 

[primetimepawich]

Here is one of mine that has recently popped up, it may have been something the people have been going nuts over before, but I never noticed it as egregiously as in the last year or so, and it is very rampant in basketball, football, and baseball cards nowadays. Not as much in hockey...yet. Here it is:

In my opinion, putting a premium on a "color matched" parallel card is probably the dumbest selling point in the history of the hobby. Oh, it is a red parallel of this player's card that is worth $3 in trade...but what's this? They are also wearing a red home jersey? "Color match" because it is red and he is wearing red in the picture so let's ask $20 because it is a color match....wow.

I think it is absolute silliness and much worse than the "eBay 1/1" folks.

That's a thing? I'd like to say I'd never fall for it, but I dunno. I did buy this some years back at standard auction:

2017 In The Game Superlative Signatures Gold #SSLM1 Larry Murphy 1/1 by primetimepawich, on Flickr

I did (and do) like how the gold foil popped with Murphy's old school LA jersey, so maybe in my mind I was a bit willing to spend more than I usually would because of the visual appeal. But it was also a 1/1 at a time when that might have meant a bit more in Leaf than in their current products of parallel excess. That, and because it was an autograph in general, it meant I was automatically trying for the rainbow.

 

[Avalanchefan21]

Yup ^^^

Most prevalent in products with panini

 

[KillerCanuck]

Hello fellows been long time here. I agreed with 3 points.
I am mostly a player collector also Canucks.
Team issued cards are very underrated from 80´s and 90´s. All looking for value money money. Now graded cards ...not good at all. Mostly I dont like 1 of 1 cards nowdays since there are everywhere available. In older days one of one was so hot and now it has been watered down deep. Sorry for my outburst. Money is controlling the hobby.

I agree with each point, with a real soft spot for mini cards!

Another topic, although perhaps too high level. In my opinion, the hobby made the transition from a hobby to an industry somewhere near the turn of the century, and is now morphing into a greed-based investment option. I’m so glad I’m at the back end of collecting and just grabbing the odd piece here and there. I can’t imagine many new “collectors” looking to hockey cards for enjoyment. It’s currently somewhere between an expensive habit, and a greed-addiction. It’s too bad for the average collector.

 

[iceberg08]

- Presidents Choice is actually good (minus the cards w/ a paintbrush photo)
- mem cards > autos
- too many garbage parallels/tech/manufactured patch cards
- 95% of UD products aren't even "fun" to open anymore

As a big fan of ITG, and a collector of old timers, I too prefer Presidents Choice over UD.

And couldn't care less about graded cards. I don't have a single one.

 

[Avalanchefan21]

the Checklists, Dual teammate YGs, Deluxe /250 in flagship are actually cool

 

[TBstanleycup04]

I agree with #1, would never pay to have someone else tell me what condition my card is in.

#2, don’t mind either jumbo or smaller cards,.

#3 Not Bedard’s fault but series two has been priced out of reach for a bunch of us. Looks like this maybe the future for collecting, so called generational players driving the market too high for the average collector. just my two cents,ignore as needed.
Cheers
Dan.

You could buy established good Hall of famers for less than some of these young kids ... it's gotten freaking ridiculous !
It's happened in football with all the young quarterbacks I could buy nice Joe Montana cheaper than a Cam Ward etc you got to be kidding me

 

[TBstanleycup04]

I'm with you on the graded. As was already mentioned - when I was in the market for a Gretzky RC a bunch of years ago..... I was only interested in a graded copy, because there's was too many fakes out there.

For vintage cards, I do get the appeal. A PSA 8 is going to be rare for a card from 1975.

Modern? I don't understand the appeal at all. Don't get me wrong - I recognize that a PSA 10 McDavid YG is going to sell for a lot more than a raw copy will..... so if you're looking to flip cards, there's value to be gained in getting them graded (people WILL pay that premium). For a collector wanting to simply own the card? That's what I don't get (unless you're planning to own it, until it's time to flip it....).

I was chatting with another member the other day about some of the stuff I've seen slabbed out there. I question why on earth someone would spend the money to get A Leaf Patch / Auto card, numbered /5, graded (particularly when it was clearly NOT a 10... the card in question got an 8). Another was a UD Buyback Autograph, that had been slabbed as 'Authentic'. Ummm, okay? How is that going to add "value" to those cards?

I can accept that a Bedard YG that gets a PSA 10 is worth more than a PSA 9, or a raw version - you've spent the money to show that yours is in perfect condition, separating it from those that are not. But if the print run is tiny, and it's a card that isn't going to have a lot of market activity - why bother? The only answer I can come up with, is that there's a segment of the hobby who thinks you need to grade anything that has value.

I'll admit too, part of my issue with graded cards extends to slabbed cards of any kind.... and also to booklets, jumbos or tallboys. I can't put them with the rest of my cards, so it's a pain! Some of them do look great though (Minis, at least, can still be stored with regular sized one).

I just think the autographed cards just look much better slabbed and authenticated for in the future, so buyers know legit.

 

[odjickfan]

You could buy established good Hall of famers for less than some of these young kids ... it's gotten freaking ridiculous !
It's happened in football with all the young quarterbacks I could buy nice Joe Montana cheaper than a Cam Ward etc you got to be kidding me

It’s crazy how we can get a nice rookie of a legend like Peter Stastny for much cheaper than these prospects!

 

[CoburnCollector]

I open all graded cards…:crazy:

I also crack all slabs.

 

[sdpdesign]

The HOF rc vs prospects debate can be crazy. The prospects are always rotating and the younger ones are prospected to have longer more productive years. They have hype. Anyone knows that buys, the second the new product comes out, the previous year’s product drops. This is the same for a lot of prospects.
The older guys are “old hat” and will produce 30 goals, 50 assists like they did last year and the year before and the year before. Nothing exciting about that. Hey, Ovie has the total goal scoring record, but did you know he only had four seasons of 100 pts or more, and not one since the 09-10 season? His rc are higher than Crosby who broke the record for most seasons for pt/game and now is ahead of Lemieux in points! Ovie…last year? One more? Crosby…same? Crosby, if on the same pace, will be behind Dionne who is 6th in total points. Ovie, is in solid 10th for another year.

And remember, money is different than it used to be. A regular candy bar used to be $.50 in the 90’s, $1 in 2010’s, and now almost $2 if not over. A $20 pull doesn’t hit the same now as it did 30 years ago. Decrease the vaule of a rc by inflation, and you’ll see equivalent value level off.