crankshaft
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Hey Ernie... why not put up the stat that really counts.... PLUS/MINUS!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA....
Rod
HAHAHAHA....
Rod
MIKEYSLEAFS
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DredJAw said:
well done ernie,the deal was not that bad,just a few anti leaf people blowing of some steam,5 million is a steal cosidering bums like federov and pronger were making 10 million not too long ago
rod come on now settle down hahahahah
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PhilM
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It's the no trade that makes the deal a bit of a dud.
WesM44
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Phil hit the nail on the head. The money is arguable because who knows what he would have gotten on the open market. It's conceivable that some naive GM (besides JFJ) would toss money at McCabe because he has a good shot, but maybe not because there's other guys that actually know how to cover an attacking forward without a butt-check or can-opener.
The no-trade clause on the other hand, is an absolute killer on a deal of that length in today's NHL. The Leafs have some pretty good young players coming through the system that will command better money 3-4 years down the road and the cap could go up or down in that time frame. Even if they buy out the contract to make roster space for any up-and-coming players, the Leafs are still on the hook (in terms of a cap hit) for both of Kaberle and McCabe's contracts.
As to who else is out there? There's going to be a ton of 27-28 year old guys available (with the lowered UFA age) in the next two or three years that would be better investments than one-dimensional players like Kaberle and McCabe. The Leafs never get the hint about patience and developing your own players. With Maurice as head coach, I would have gone with a handful of guys from the Marlies because those were the guys who were winning the games for the blue and white down the stretch.
The no-trade clause on the other hand, is an absolute killer on a deal of that length in today's NHL. The Leafs have some pretty good young players coming through the system that will command better money 3-4 years down the road and the cap could go up or down in that time frame. Even if they buy out the contract to make roster space for any up-and-coming players, the Leafs are still on the hook (in terms of a cap hit) for both of Kaberle and McCabe's contracts.
As to who else is out there? There's going to be a ton of 27-28 year old guys available (with the lowered UFA age) in the next two or three years that would be better investments than one-dimensional players like Kaberle and McCabe. The Leafs never get the hint about patience and developing your own players. With Maurice as head coach, I would have gone with a handful of guys from the Marlies because those were the guys who were winning the games for the blue and white down the stretch.
DredJAw
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PhilM said:
Yeah, I agree... thats definitely the killer... otherwise I think 5M per season isnt that bad considering he would get that on the open market guarenteed
WesM44
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Totally missed this before, but have you been watching Pronger in these playoffs? He's playing like a man possessed, he's tied for 3rd in playoff scoring with 17 pts in 17 games. Not to mention that the Oilers are going to the Cup final. I dunno about you, but I think he's well worth what Edmonton is paying for him because I don't think they make it to the finals without him.MIKEYSLEAFS said:
McCabe on the other hand... well... how many Cup finals have he and the Leafs been in?
DredJAw
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WesM44 said:McCabe on the other hand... well... how many Cup finals have he and the Leafs been in?
The same amount that Rathje, Hatcher have been in with the Flyers
If people think Mccabes contract is an albatross what is Hatcher+Rathje?
WesM44
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They're making less over a shorter time frame. They're not good contracts, don't get me wrong, but McCabe's is terrible in comparison with regards to future implications for the Leafs.DredJAw said:
The Cup finals comment was a comparison to guys like Pronger, Lidstrom et al. who are making the same or a bit more and are actually justified in bringing in those paychecks, unlike McCabe.
Sure Hatcher and Rathje are both a little overpaid, but they look like paupers compared to McCabe now.
Bossy22
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Your arguement is great. Its like telling someone, sure this apple is bruised and rotten but so are those two, therefore it makes sense to spend alot of money on it. You can point out other contracts that don't make sense but that doesn't make this one make sense
MIKEYSLEAFS
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WesM44 said:Totally missed this before, but have you been watching Pronger in these playoffs? He's playing like a man possessed, he's tied for 3rd in playoff scoring with 17 pts in 17 games. Not to mention that the Oilers are going to the Cup final. I dunno about you, but I think he's well worth what Edmonton is paying for him because I don't think they make it to the finals without him.
McCabe on the other hand... well... how many Cup finals have he and the Leafs been in?
there is a guy called roloson thats brought edmonton into the playoffs,without the goalie change they would of finished 10th or 11th,not pronger,cmon that should be a no brainer,rolo has been fantastic,don't take that away from him saying its pronger,pronger has been there all year and they would of missed the playoffs,tied for third just in the playoffs,maybe likes the big games,what did he do all year wes?????and comparing defensemen and mentioning one player taking them to the finals,cmon thats childish,lets remember hockey is a team sport,are you saying if the leafs had pronger they would be in the finals,i think not,there is other problems in t.o
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
MIKEYSLEAFS
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WesM44 said:
a bit more is like 2 million
wes i am a little short on money
can you send me a bit
say 2million
crankshaft
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MIKEYSLEAFS said:
Hey Mikey, actually Roloson definitely did not GET THEM into the playoffs! He was there just at the end and actually he was only .500 in the regular season with the Oilers. I actually thought there was no way in hell they were going anywhere in the playoffs with Roloson, because he honestly was not playing well. Once the playoffs started, the Oilers played a totally different style of game where they blocked all kinds of shots and barely any of them even make it to Roloson. I don't think you can point to one player on the Oilers and say this is the reason they are in the finals, you have to point to the coach and the leaders on the team, including Pronger. Roloson has played well, but he is definitely not the reason they are in the finals. THe team has been playing so well together, blocking shots and all kinds of scoring opportunites and they have gelled as a team.
To say that Roloson got them to the playoffs is just plain incorrect. After all, he was only there for a month before the playoffs and he definitely wasn't stellar by any means, with an 8-7 record.
As for the Toronto Defensemen, well, they had 135 points between the two of them, which is great, but when they are both -1, thats just not good. It doesn't matter how many points you get if you are not even on the positive side at the end of the season...
Rod
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crankshaft said:
plus /minus means nothing when you are on a crap team,they are all minus this year,plus/minus is decieving,you can do nothing and be on a good line or good team and be a plus,you can be a superstar but on a line with dead weight(as in doug weight) and be a minus.means nothing.too many powerplays this year so not enough time for plus /minus
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MIKEYSLEAFS
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still 8-7 on a 9th place team when they got him is more than decent.with conklin it would of been 5-10 and missing the playoffs
crankshaft
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Mike, I guess we will have to agree on Disagreeing...
Ty Conklin's record was 8-5-1 and Markkanen's record was 15-12-6 in the regular season... I don't think Roloson improved their winning percentage down the stretch - and he lost to teams like St. Louis and Minnesota... not exactly tough teams...
Like I said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree...
Rod
Ty Conklin's record was 8-5-1 and Markkanen's record was 15-12-6 in the regular season... I don't think Roloson improved their winning percentage down the stretch - and he lost to teams like St. Louis and Minnesota... not exactly tough teams...
Like I said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree...
Rod
MIKEYSLEAFS
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alright rod,sounds good,dosen't matter as carolina will mop edmonton up
DredJAw
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WesM44 said:
Mccabe hasn't been re-signed. Those reports were premature. You can see for yourself.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/5675834
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dwilton27
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That's what happens when you get married.LOL. Just kidding.
tealfan
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Leafs should be thanking his missus. Might save them some money!
DredJAw
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No but if the Leafs go out and spend $8M on Chara they would have over spent and blah blah blah same ole Leafs blah blah
The Leafs are in a no win situation unless they can SOMEHOW get one of these d-men cheap. Which they wont, hence they will lose in the fans' eyes.
The Leafs are in a no win situation unless they can SOMEHOW get one of these d-men cheap. Which they wont, hence they will lose in the fans' eyes.
